fishabel10 arrested for writing gay erotica in China as part of nationwide crackdown
Soon coming to your best red states.
Haha. But straight pedo incest erotica is totally a best seller there.
Wonder how long this’ll stay here for.
And how many ml comms OP will be instantly banned from.
And how many ml comms OP will be instantly banned from.
Just until the mods wake up and censor it, claiming it’s not a valid news source, adding 20 links, and a copy paste from the communist manifesto.
While simultaneously praising this as a good thing.
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davelSurely not because that’s what happens here
As of this moment, it literally has not happened here in this post, but go on with your stolen valor 😂
Please explain the “stolen valor”
Yes, porn is illegal in China. All porn. They weren’t targeted for being gay, as both this article and the original Chinese language article points out. They don’t get special treatment for producing gay literature either way.
Can’t have anything nice in china. Sad.
Porn is a serious issue that leads to detrimental addictive behavior, unrealistic dating and sex expectations, and is only needed for the weakest, dumbest masturbators.
Lmfao
If you need a pill to stay hard it’s okay, don’t be angry at yourself.
…yes porn addiction does cause erectile dysfunction, which is why Viagra is popular in the US but not more moderated countries.
You need to reread my comment, I’m not advocating for porn.
celesteand it's worth life in prison?
No one is getting life in prison. China has less serve punishments than the US, and it’s practically impossible to get life in prison for non violent crimes unless you’re a billionaire.
What do you think is an appropriate punishment? My inclination is "nothing," since writing about sex is the same as writing about any other normal everyday thing people do, but I'm always curious what would be appropriate to people who see things differently. Fewer years? A fine? Community service? I am genuinely curious.
What punishment should librarians in the US get for distributing written sex? They get a paycheck for this work. How much should Chuck Tingle have to pay, or how much time should he serve?
Whatever psychologists recommend is enough to correct the obsessive behavior, obviously.
Only America-brained victims think police action is primarily punitive.
So you disagree with prison sentences for erotica writers, unless recommended by a psychologist?
I agree with following a science first approach as China is doing to solve the problems the people have decided shouldn’t be allowed in society, yes.
Is the treatment described in the article non-punative, or is the source flawed?
I thought you said that psychologists should direct people to be healthier, not that society should decide what is allowed and not allowed. Coming from a perspective where I am a woman attracted to other woman, I am not interested in what society doesn't like. My personal interest is in harm and the reduction of it, and science backed means of doing so.
Every government is untrustworthy and should be treated like a dangerous tool that can help or harm, depending on how the flawed humans who wield it choose to do so.
Could you share with me China's science on the dangers of erotica? The science of it is deeply interesting to me, more so than any government position, or the erotica itself. I'm never going to think prison or fines or psychological torture are the correct responses to describing an act millions of people perform every day, but if there is evidence of harm, I'm interested in reading it. If I need to agonize over machine translations, I'm willing to give it a shot.
Are you intentionally misreading my responses in order to justify your bigotry, or do I need to swap to a different language to help you?
At least you’re able to tell everyone your story. Personally I think that’s brave of you. Thank you
Opposing the sex industry is a common and principled left stance. It is only in capitalist countries where their cops are funded to harrass people and Johns are rarely punished where there has been a need for a “sex work is work” movement.
In countries run or established by communists, they were often facing racial or otherwise imperialist systemic rape (“comfort women” for Japanese imperialists, for example), recognized how this worked in both slavery and “transactional” capacities, and correctly banned it. Things like erotica were swept up in this total purge of marketing sex, and enforcement is inconsistent as it is usually regional.
Please so your best to educate yourself, be accurate in your summaries, and to not be sinophobic.
Sex workers are workers, end of story.
I understand you Americans have fucked up views on sex workers and treat them like shit, but that is on you.
Also Australia women were taken as comfort women by Japan, and yet we still legalise and protect our sex workers.
queermunist she/herAnd all work is coercive.
So what’s it called when you coerce someone for sex?
Oh so you want to abolish all farmers and factory work? Sorry, didn’t know I was talking to a a ComPrim.
Critique of work isn’t monopolized by primmies. 🙄
I want a post-work society. Don’t you?
Yes and for that we need literal sci-fi technology.
Until that day we will need to work to some degree to uphold living.
Yes, we are limited by our material conditions. I’m not a moralist.
But sex work is not one of the forms of work we need to uphold living.
You certainly a moralist.
Sex workers play an important role in society, especially in helping ND people.
I’d love to get paid for sex. Here I am, giving it away for free when I could be rich! ;)
And sex work is coercive and exploitative, like all work. Sex workers are forced to play that role, just like we’re all forced to do our jobs. And what’s it called when you coerce someone for sex? Work is wage slavery, so what does that make sex work?
EDIT To clarify, I’m not speaking specifically about erotic literature. I actually don’t think it should be treated the same as all other so-called “sex work.” But no one should have to have sex with me just because I pay them.
Lefties characterize much of labor under capitalism as wage slavery that builds profit off of injured bodies. And they seek to undo those conditions. Are you aware of anyone here that looks at those who must injure themselves to work and does not want that to go away?
Your responses here are a confused mileu. It seems like you know basically nothing about others’ stances but feel like you still deserve an (dismissive) opinion. Who taught you that this was okay?
I wonder who taught you to end every comment with an insult, trying to use shame to coerce silence instead of using rational thinking and supportive behavior to convince people on your ideas.
Or is your goal to just push people away and remind them of how they don’t want anything to do with the “left”
I wonder who taught you to end every comment with an insult,
I haven’t ended any comment with insults. I have called out poor behavior and racism/xenophobia, however.
My approach, generally speaking, is to engage fairly patiently and neutrally until it is clear that others are abusing this or if their behavior crosses serious lines like national chauvinism or ridiculous levels of condescension and bad faith, which is how you are approaching every disagreeing comment. Because at that point, ignoring the poor behavior tends to lead to it getting even worse.
trying to use shame to coerce silence
Look at how absurd this language is. You’d think I had arrested you and am now publicly berating you before throwing you in jail rather than correcting ignorant opinions and suggesting being less arrogant and national chauvinist when presented with disagreeing opinions.
There is no coercion in me telling you to be curious and humble or not national chauvinist. However, there is a ton of actual coercion in the sex industry. Try to have some perspective.
instead of using rational thinking and supportive behavior to convince people on your ideas.
I have presented rational thinking and look at how you and the Australian have responsed. And I would be happy to be supportive - so long as you recant the sinophobic statements and orientation you have presented. Because I’m not going to support that.
Or is your goal to just push people away and remind them of how they don’t want anything to do with the “left”
lmao you think growing the left is about tolerating arrogance and national chauvinism?
If your mom had to start working as a prostitute from now on, would you think this is ok because all work is work?
If she had to do that because she had no choice? That would be horrible. If she started an OnlyFans because she enjoyed the attention, I’d be embarrassed, but good for her.
Some brains are smoothier than others
Yup. I know it’s hard for you to understand, but thanks for trying.
AntiOutsideAktionif you’re doing it for fun you’re not exchanging money
this is mental gymnastics
If I have a job I love, I still get paid ;) this is not mental gymnastics.
it’s not mental gymnastics because listen to this hypothetical
I have been listening to your hypotheticals the entire time
I don’t think you’re following the conversation closely so I’ll repeat myself:
Work isn’t coercive because I can imagine someone who enjoys their job.
Homelessness is fake.
You think homelessness is fake? Are they NPCs to you? I did not predict that you would go full Elon, but I have a lot of popcorn so please continue
You’re too stupid to mock
Who’s mocking. I’m being very serious. I want to hear more about how homelessness is not real
Sex workers are workers, end of story.
Most things labelled “sex work” are actually human trafficking and most Western left groups that oppose expansion of the sex industry and even want it banned are made up of former “sex workers”. So no, not end of story, you do need to actually investigate the topic and understand it as more than a slogan.
I understand you Americans have fucked up views on sex workers and treat them like shit, but that is on you.
This is not exclusive to the United States.
Also Australia women were taken as comfort women by Japan, and yet we still legalise and protect our sex workers.
Was Australia occupied and had its people constantly forced into slavery roles, including rape, by the occupiers? Comparing a handful of captured during the war vs. decades of occupation and society-level abuse is disgusting.
Since you are presumably in Australia, can you tell me some stats on human trafficking there?
I don’t think they are from America ;)
HISSSSSSS
Sex work IS work. Erotica IS sex work. Please try to educate yourself.
Most things labeled as “sex work” is human trafficking. I am educated and I regularly organize with former participants in the sex industry.
We are talking about fiction stories, so let’s bring that back. I asked you a question in another thread, I’m ending this one.
Please do your best to reply to what I say rather than changing the subject. You can always choose to just not reply if you don’t have an actual response.
I’m just doing what you’re doing, not talking about the topic the other person wants to talk about. Show me I’m wrong by talking about the topic I want to talk about, the original post. Show me the changing the topic was not your intention.
I’m just doing what you’re doing, not talking about the topic the other person wants to talk about.
I am directly quoting and responding to basically everything said to me, lol. You might be projecting, as own comments are rife with deflections and topic changes. I ignored this 3-4 times before making a note of it just now.
Show me I’m wrong by talking about the topic I want to talk about, the original post.
I mean, you have said many things related to the original post and I have addressed many of them. You are, after the fact, trying to invent there being only one relevant and restricted original topic, which is, hilariously, not something you ever explicitly stated until just now. You haven’t even really stated it, you are couching it in a question.
Feel free to make a top level comment about “the original topic” and I will feel free to respond to it or not.
Things like erotica were swept up in this total purge of marketing sex, and enforcement is inconsistent as it is usually regional.
A convenient excuse to stifle a person consenting sexuality and agency. Written erotica hurts no one, and those arguing otherwise are falling into their authoritarian tendencies.
If you don’t like sex work like pornography and prostitution I can at least understand your reasoning. Both have massive issues of trafficking and sexual slavery. But swinging the hammer down like this on written erotica is purely authoritarian. And trying to justify arrests made as “inconsistent enforcement” is giving cover, purposeful or otherwise, to that authoritarianism.