Anon is a winner
Anon is a winner
Probably an unpopular opinion
Not really. Even big potter fans acknowledge that the books have giant plotholes
Huge potter fan here (that wonât consume any potter media because JKR is a self-owning ass clown that deserves to watch her empire crumble), and yeah, even well before the Twitter nonsense she started spouting, it wasnât like a secret or anything that the books werenât perfect. I still stood on like at midnight for prisoner of Azkaban as a kid, though. But I remember thinking the Voldemort/death eaters thing was a pretty clear WWII/Hitler/Nazi analogy and googling it only to find an interview with her stating it absolutely was not, and people who thought it was were âreading politicsâ into a childrenâs story. Sheâs always been a dumbass, and sheâs wrong about her own work. Also, the whole house elf thing was⊠Really, really rough to read as a kid. I could never understand why no one was on Hermioneâs side, and how no one could see that elves didnât want to be free because their condition would be that of an outcast, and in a world where only wizardâs were allowed wands, nonhuman humanoids were veru clearly subjugated to the point of delusionality.
Which is to say, yeah, the books got problems, even if you love em. I love those books, because the world felt real, even when it was shitty, it felt real. But there are major problems in them, both in the plothole sense, and in the politics (or lack thereof) of the author shining through the cracks
Also, the whole house elf thing was⊠Really, really rough to read as a kid. I could never understand why no one was on Hermioneâs side, and how no one could see that elves didnât want to be free because their condition would be that of an outcast, and in a world where only wizardâs were allowed wands, nonhuman humanoids were veru clearly subjugated to the point of delusionality.
The motivation behind the idea was a good one, the execution of the idea was absolute cringe.
Let me explain. The intention was to highlight that the wizarding world has its own logic, and trying to apply the morality and philosophy of the mundane will end in failure, but Hermonie canât see that being too smart for her own good in this areaâŠ
Unfortunately JK picked FUCKING SLAVERY as the way to make this point, because she is a dumbass.
Harry Potter has a character called Seamus Finnigan, his whole thing is to act like heâs drunk and blow things up. (Itâs a stereotype in England that Irish people make cars into bombs and are literally domestic terrorists)
And if you look into the extended lore, well ya know how Hogwarts bizarrely has a house intended for Dark Wizards (Why is that a thing? I donât remember âSerial Killingâ being a major in Community College) named for the most second evil wizard in history (The first was Grindelwald who⊠wanted to stop the Nazis), Salazaar Slytherin.
If you look into the backstory of Salazaar Slytherin, he doesnât really have any evil deeds to his name, heâs just Irish lol.
Also JK Rowlingâs house elves are based on âBrowniesâ, stories Slave Owners who tell their children about how black people were âReally magic faeries who like workingâ and will âDisappear forever if you give them nice thingsâ
Sheâs a disgusting person.
Nobody is on the side of the house elves because Hermione is the pet leftist. Ever watch Downton Abbey? Pretty good show tbh, but if you have, then Tom Felton is the Downton Abbey Hermione. Why is Downton Abbey, of all things, relevant? Because itâs conservative apologia for the way things were, just as HP is conservative apologia; these types of media will often include a zany leftist that they can soften and win over to show how their conservative agenda is good actually. Think about it, HP isnât left vs right, itâs old conservatism (Dumbledore and his muggle-loving ways) vs batshit insane ultra conservatism (the Death Eaters). If you swap wizarding blood for noble blood, being a wizard for being a noble, etc. it works almost perfectly. Hermione is new nobility that the old nobility doesnât respect; Harry is from a good pedigree, but was raised by his peasant aunt and uncle and doesnât know how to act the part, etc etc.
HP and Rowling have always been conservative, it was just that we misread the struggle being portrayed there.
I got sort of an inverse impression of Downton Abbey. For me, it was about inevitable change, since practically every single truth held by the most conservative characters is at some point bent or entirely overturned, often by themselves. Literally all of the gentry are huge hypocrites.
It also spends a good amount of time creating parallels in the lives of the different classes that, for me, underscored how there was nothing fundamentally special about the aristocracy besides their wealth. Wealth that they never earned and only held onto because a peasant Irish driver who banged their daughter forcibly removed their heads from their assess.
It just doesnât seek to accomplish all this by making the upper class into Disney villains, since thatâs rarely how people actually are. But I never got the impression the show was trying to say this is how things should have or had to have been.
Thatâs fair. The rosiness I always attributed to the fact itâs basically a fancy soap opera with a huge budget.
The Crowleys are definitely depicted as kind lords, though the show contrasts them several times with other less humane counterparts. I donât have the education to rate its historical accuracy, however.
batshit insane ultra conservatism (the Death Eaters)
Death Eaters are revolutionary wizard supremacists.
I searched for her denying the Nazi analogy and only found the opposite
Q: Many of us older readers have noticed over the years similarities between the Death Eaters tactics and the Nazis from the 30s and 40s. Did you use that historical era as a model for Voldemortâs reign and what were the lessons that you hope to impart to the next generation?
It was conscious. I think that if youâre, I think most of us if you were asked to name a very evil regime we would think Nazi Germany. There were parallels in the ideology. I wanted Harry to leave our world and find exactly the same problems in the wizarding world. So you have the intent to impose a hierarchy, you have bigotry, and this notion of purity, which is this great fallacy, but it crops up all over the world. People like to think themselves superior and that if they can pride themselves in nothing else they can pride themselves on perceived purity. So yeah that follows a parallel. It wasnât really exclusively that. I think you can see in the Ministry even before itâs taken over, there are parallels to regimes we all know and love. [Laughter and applause.] So you ask what lessons, I suppose. The Potter books in general are a prolonged argument for tolerance, a prolonged plea for an end to bigotry, and I think tiâs one of the reasons that some people donât like the books, but I think thatâs itâs a very healthy message to pass on to younger people that you should question authority and you should not assume that the establishment or the press tells you all of the truth.
Source: the-leaky-cauldron.org/âŠ/j-k-rowling-at-carnegie-âŠ
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I only like the first three Harry Potter books, when Scabbers goes, so does the book having any credibility it seems.
People donât like Harry Potter for the story, so when it tries too be serious it falls apart. The part of Harry Potter people enjoy is the whimsy of the wizarding world, thatâs it.
If magic interferes and influences electricity, which means it can be measured, analyzed and manipulated as a new form of energy.
To cover up magic on all âfrontsâ would be impossible by todayâs standards. Harry Potter would never be as successful nower days as it was. Simply because the smartphone enters the lifeâs of humans as essential device very early in life.
Kind of hard to switch off all those thoughts.
Easiest explanation is: there is no electricity in hogwarts and wizards donât have electricians nor electricity generation, so âelectricity doesnât work in hogwartsâ.
If magic was electromagnetic or at least can be measured by effects that it has wizards would have been found during 20th century by general populace.
There are multiple mentions that electronics ALLWAYS malfunctions in presence of magic. So that is a new physical law in disguise. An especially interesting one that interacts with certain intelligence.
Sentient Electromagimagnetic field confirmed?
There are multiple mentions that electronics ALLWAYS malfunctions in presence of magic.
I donât think thereâs actually any such mention. Thereâs several mentions about how âmuggle technology doesnât work in the Hogwarts groundsâ, but thereâs no mention of electronics going haywire when someone is doing magic outside of hogwarts, imo?
Please do correct me if I just remember wrong.
And even just turning out lights is something that is apparently not that simple to do. Aside from Peruvian instant darkness powder â which doesnât exactly snuff out lights, but covers them in darkness â the only thing to affect lights is Dumbledoreâs deluminator. And heâs a magical genius.
My point being even turning off the lights is challenging. Muggle tech may not work in Hogwarts but I donât recall any mention of magic fucking up tech unless itâs magic specifically meant to fuck up tech. Hogwarts is just like such a protracted and magical place that âmuggle tech doesnât workâ but even thatâs kind of a silly overarching statement thatâs easy to challenge. Plumbing is technically muggle tech. It works. Wouldnât ball point pens work as well? I imagine those would be pretty highly valued commodities. I think muggle borns could easily flog biros for at least a galleon a piece. Which the muggleborn could then go and exchange for the value of the gold, getting probably hundreds of pound for a galleon.
Endless money glitch.
But yeah at least pens would work Iâd argue. Something like calculators is easy to see being fucked by some ambient magic fields, but pens? Nah.
Magic could operate differently from electromagnetism, but still interfere, such as with quantum effects. Inference doesnât need to go both ways.
I thought about writing a magic setting with fairly hard justification for magic, and in my world, youâd control individual atoms and combine them to get the effects you want. Youâd do this by gaining the respect of or instilling fear into atoms so theyâd do your bidding. Spoken spells are more like tricks taught to dogs than having any power of their own, and the power derives from the respect or fear the atoms have for the caster. This explains why some wizards/witches are more powerful than others, and why learning isnât necessarily the best way to get more powerful. The strongest magic users in my world spend a lot of time meditating, meaning communing with the target group of atoms.
The inner workings of atoms is poorly understood, so I think thereâs room to insert some form of sentience.
Getting your magical SI units right could help you balance the powers. I like the idea of âRespecto Atomumâ
How much respect is needed for no more movement at all (0°K) in 1m^3?
If magic interferes and influences electricity, which means it can be measured, analyzed and manipulated âŠthat would also be true if it didnât interact with electricity.
Thatâs not given. Many magic systems are inherently unexplainable. Say for the example you have a system where a monotheistic god sometimes alters reality when prayed to by a devout follower. There are no measurable or manipulatable components, as the god can respond entirely differently tomorrow. A bunch of stories use a similar explanation (replace monotheistic god with primal forces/strands of fate/eldritch gods).
And honestly, the mystery of an unexplainable magic system is often what makes it magic.
Say for the example you have a system where a monotheistic god sometimes alters reality when prayed to by a devout follower. There are no measurable or manipulatable components, as the god can respond entirely differently tomorrow.
Thatâs still nowhere near unexplainable enough to be impossible to study. Youâve described the godâs behaviour as âsometimes alters reality when prayed to by a devout followerâ - if itâs consistent enough for this statement to make sense, thatâs already a lot to study. Is there a correlation between particular prayers and miracles? Are particular mental states helpful? Are various traits make someone more likely to produce a miracle? Are there drugs that affect it? What are the limits to a miracle? Is there patterns in the time intervals between miracles? And so on, and so forth. A world with such a magic system, if you want it to be realistic, should have had an entire history of people studying these and many other things.
And honestly, the mystery of an unexplainable magic system is often what makes it magic.
Eh. Itâs sometimes fun to read stories like that (one better have fun, since most stories are like that!), but theyâre⊠stories about worlds where there isnât a single human with common sense or intelligence. Not just in the story itself, but in the worldâs entire history, because the author didnât realise that âpeople trying to seriously explore the laws of their worldâ is a thing that necessarily happens in realistic worlds, much like it happens in ours.
Thatâs still nowhere near unexplainable enough to be impossible to study. Youâve described the godâs behaviour as âsometimes alters reality when prayed to by a devout followerâ - if itâs consistent enough for this statement to make sense, thatâs already a lot to study.
It might be technically studiable in the way you describe, but thereâs no requirement for consistency of any kind. My statement was extra-universal, so you canât assume that itâs discoverable intra-universally. If the result of your study is âthis is behaving in completely inconsistent and random waysâ, you have technically studied it, but you havenât measured or analyzed it in any way.
You can just apply your approach to our universe. People have spent centuries attempting to measure and analyze miracles. Would you say that we have analyzed and studied the magic system by which the christian god works?
Eh. Itâs sometimes fun to read stories like that (one better have fun, since most stories are like that!), but theyâre⊠stories about worlds where there isnât a single human with common sense or intelligence. Not just in the story itself, but in the worldâs entire history, because the author didnât realise that âpeople trying to seriously explore the laws of their worldâ is a thing that necessarily happens in realistic worlds, much like it happens in ours.
Youâre still making assumptions about the magic system. Take for example the Solphons from âThe Dark Forestâ - super-smart subatomic machines that change the laws of physics to prevent advances in fundamental physics. Now imagine that they werenât designed by an alien race, but instead by an extra-universal god, and there was no way to ever arrive at this knowledge (since no instruments for measuring etc. can ever be developed).
Suddenly you have a magic system that is fundamentally unstudiable, no matter the amount of humans with âcommon sense or intelligenceâ. No matter what idea you come up with to study the system, Iâll be able to come up with a way to make it fundamentally unstudiable. Thatâs whatâs great about fiction - weâre not limited by the assumptions we have to make in real science.
If magic interferes and influences electricity, which means it can be measured, analyzed and manipulated as a new form of energy.
Unless it does so unpredictably / always exactly the way you donât want it to. Itâs magic after all.
HPMOR does a great job of making Harry Potterâs world rational and believable
To cover up magic on all âfrontsâ would be impossible by todayâs standards. Harry Potter would never be as successful nower days as it was. Simply because the smartphone enters the lifeâs of humans as essential device very early in life.
Even then, Harry Potter canonically took place in the early 90âs even though it released in the 2000âs