Lemmy more social than Mastodon or Nostr
Having tried all three, its a stark difference in how much more social Lemmy is comparatively. Its not even close. Almost all posts Iâve encountered on lemmy have interaction; whereas, more often than not, posts on the other two platforms have no interaction. Wonder what the driving factor is behind this difference?
you can follow hashtags.
Interesting. Perhaps I should give mastodon another go.
Itâs an interesting dynamic!
I find myself talking more on lemmy as others say because itâs easier/made for talking about topics. Mastodon and other fedi services center around following the account that made a thing rather than the thing(s) themselves. And thatâs fine, both have their place.
You follow hashtags. Itâs what I do and itâs been a good experience so far.
Itâs about the same as on Lemmy engagement-wise.
Iâve never understood what twitter style websites are actually for. They seem to have a tiny niche of celebrities and known personalities making a statement with no reasonable conversation stemming from it.
I donât understand how that structure was once one of the largest social media platforms in the first place.
the content is github a distribution / marketing site is pypi you are interacting with technologists. The content already exists. And are interacting around that content. Rather than generating more and more content forever in a loop leading to nothing but more noise.
And you have direct access to these people! If a reasonable conversation is lacking itâs cuz you are not bringing the party to the bar.
You are the star that makes the conversation happen.
So dial up a person 100x smarter than you. And find something to ask them.
Like a ChatGPT but will actual intelligence and passion at the other end.
On the flip side though since communities reside in spaces and are moderated by individuals here, compared to the more âbroadcastâ nature of using tags on Mastodon, you end up with some really bad echo chambers on Lemmy
These are two sides of the same coin, one side you called community and the other side you called echo chamber. Whether a particular community/echo chamber is âbadâ or âgoodâ is a matter of your interpretation.
To reword using more proper terms for the system, âcommunities reside in instancesâ. A community called ânewsâ on .worldâs instance is a far different thing than on hexbear for example.
An echochamber is just a trait of a given community where any dissenting views from the home instance mods are reported and deleted. At least those actions are visible via the modlogs on here so it stays transparent though.
Thereâs a difference in how âcensorshipâ is conducted on, say, Lemmy.world vs Hexbear.net. Lemmy.world does soft censorship, they outright defederated from the 2 largest leftist instances. In a manner, this can be seen as banning every account from the 2 largest leftist instances, an extreme act of censorship, but it isnât recognized as such because it is soft. Outright removals of comments and posts are seen as hard censorship, as you remove viewpoints and people, which Hexbear does frequently with liberals and other right-wingers.
Lemmy.world uses this curated audience as a ânarrative ecosystem,â by removing any input from the largest leftist instances, thereâs no real leftist pushback against the dominant liberal narrative, and when there is, it usually gets heavily downvoted or removed. Hexbear on the other hand takes a more honest approach, and just says outright that liberalism isnât allowed and is bannable.
I wouldnât say the leftist communities are more heavy handed, but that they are more honest and forthright with how they exert control over their communities, itâs more transparent.
Iâd expect if there was an equivalent of âgabâ or âtruth socialâ they would be defederated too. I can understand an action like that because people join these places specifically because itâs an echo chamber fitting their viewpoints and theyâre allowed and even encouraged to be hostile to outsiders.
With the way the fedi is set up you can certainly set up multiple accounts, and Iâm sure there are more than a couple from those instances cut off that create accounts elsewhere to have those conversations. The difference being that theyâre expected to behave in a civil fashion rather than just screaming at others.
On my single-user instance I havenât defederated anyone and only blocked a handful of outright spam/troll accounts and a couple who seem to have a single life purpose to push an agenda.
There actually are those instances, they are just broadly defederated, lol.
There are definitely people that make accounts elsewhere to âengage beyond the wallâ so to speak, but Hexbear and Lemmygrad for example exist for their own users, not as a âbase of operationsâ for widespread brigading like some claim. Itâs nice to visit spaces free from liberalism and constant arguing, as a Marxist-Leninist myself. I also think the âscreamingâ type of behavior is more frequently found on liberal instances than leftist ones, but thatâs anecdotal and I have no way to prove it, other than the suggestion that perhaps our implicit bias clouds what we percieve as civil and what as âscreamingâ in the context of comment debates.
See I donât mind a decent conversation with them either. I actually hold a lot of âleftistâ views myself. What gets to be troublesome is when people come in with a perspective that what passes for liberal in the US is violently evil. Our system is very flawed, easily viewed by the way the electoral college allows for a person with less of the popular vote to win. However, itâs what exists and without some massive uprising changes are going to be slow at best.
Look at the chaos that came from the George Floyd murder. That went on for a few months and little of major note changed. Or the occupy Wall Street that just kind of petered out to nothing. The media moves on to the next shiny thing and people lose interest. The most recent with the killing of a CEO was just a couple weeks ago and you can already feel the fervor for it slowing down.
People have good reason to want changes, but so many times âliberalâ and âleftistâ people have similar stated goals. It often feels that the liberals are being found from both sides, one actively against them in principal and the other yelling for trying to work with the system as it exists.
tags?
do the research to track down exactly who to interacting with.
then what would be the use of tags? Force of habit. Something to do to pass the time?
Stop with the feeds entirely from randos.
the streaming noise in arabic then French and Chinese is trying to drive the point home that u are doing something obviously wrong
try grabbing that French poster by the Freedom fries and get to know him.
Ask him about his adventures in Africa. Bet his colonial exploits come with some insights
Lemmy format allows having an actual dialogue
Itâs great for seeing existing dialogue, but I think it falls short for long term discussion between more than two people.
On a non-threaded board (e.g. forums, github issues) you can watch a thread youâre interested in. On Lemmy/reddit you only get notifications for direct responses to your comments.
I think some sort of option to watch/unwatch whole subtrees of comments would help a lot.
I havenât thought of that, but thatâs actually a neat idea. Youâre right that Lemmy format works best for two people having a discussion, and it becomes messy to track larger conversations with more people. What often ends up happening is that the person who made the original top level comment ends up having many separate conversations with different people.
I havenât actually seen a good way to represent discussions between a group of people now that I think of it. Having watch functionality helps you know when replies show up, but it would be neat if different people replying could also be aware of what theyâre all saying.
mastodon is awesome if you actually can bring yourself to want to interact with a real person.
If you canât get anything out of mastodon you cannot get anything out of interacting with another human being.
Find someone to care about. Force yourself to care about them.
Honestly, I think is the whole âFirst Postâ mindset.
When you post a reply on Mastodon, it is more intimate, the only people who see it are the original tooter and anyone who actively seeks more commentary. It is a dialogue between two people, or multiple dialogues between one person and many others.
Lemmy is more like a forum, where everyone can see all comments, right underneath the original post. It is more like an open-table discussion.
It is not that Lemmy is more social, it is just less personal.
explain your point clearly with unittests. Then we are talking.
Prove itâs true otherwise itâs just conjecture. A missive. A random thought, or Gâd forbid, good intentions.
yeah there is a lotta that floating around.
i feel locked in a cage with the proverbial monkey
shiats getting tossed everywhere. Dodging works for a time.
Eventually wanted more outta life than successive rounds of the classic game, space invaders.
People opening their mouths, whatever comes out, should be backed up with something. Even better if can interact with that something
u are right
just confirmed my point
either iâm defective or thoroughly distracted by a never ending stream of disjointed conversation threads that just blend together and lead no where.
Was there ever any hope of forming a long last relationship? Or is that never been in the cards?
Are we just thread participants for the life time of this thread?
just confirmed my point
Or maybe youâre so used to posting on a platform thatâs bad to hold a conversation on you donât notice when youâre part of one on a platform that is good at being conversational on.
Hey, I donât come into your house and insult you by calling you social media! /s
I think, much like HN or early web forums, weâre below the population level where personal attacks get unmanageable. On Reddit voicing a dissenting opinion would always get you dog piled and that makes people defensive and boring as shit.
People here are generally (some exceptions being pro life/choice which is a deeply toxic topic at this point and Gaza which has emotions extremely high) arguing in good faith and even if theyâre rough initially a lot of times Iâve appreciated back and forth threads since, even if thereâs still a disagreement, most people will genuinely work to remove stupid misunderstandings and try and understand who theyâre talking to.
Additionally, the mods on most communities are awesome and focus specifically on removing things like personal attacks without getting heavy handed in interventions.
I still use Mastodon â as a place to dump intrusive thoughts more than anything â but there is this huge tension between people who want to chat with randoms, people who only want to chat with friends, and people who want to use it purely as a broadcast medium. The protocol/convention doesnât really allow for managing this issue, which is a shame, but I have come to the conclusion that microblogging is just kind of cursed as a medium. Itâs fundamentally all about building a personal brand, and if you have no social capital you are shit out of luck.
Lemmy/the Reddit model on the other hand strikes a good balance between anonymity and being able to vet odd characters. Different people want different things ofc, and thatâs fine, but I find I have more fruitful conversations here than on Mastodon.
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