Emily VelascoI need more friends who are willing to go trespassing with me
All I ask is that you are willing to go onto private property with me, despite the risk of getting caught, and that you keep cool if we do get caught.
refraction 
@MLE_online you'd be so disappointed if you do this in Austria. trespassing by itself is simply not a crime here.
@elexia I don't see how that could possibly be workable. If i walk into your house and you tell me to leave and i say no and stay there, I'm not breaking any law??
@MLE_online getting into someone's living space without permission would be illegal, but this doesn't extend to just any piece of land.
@elexia so you can walk into a quarry or a mine or a factory and it's ok?
@MLE_online not a legal expert. there are certain limitations. but just something being property doesn't make it illegal to enter. there's the concept of Besitzstörung "disruption of property" for example. you're not allowed to inhibit someone's use of their property. say by blocking access to a driveway with a car. and yes intruding on their privacy in their home (this includes your landlord; they cannot enter your home without permission).
so it's not that everything that would be covered by "trespassing" in places where that concept exists would automatically be legal here, but rather that that legal concept does not exist here. other legal constructions do, so some specific cases of what elsewhere might be "trespassing" might be illegal, though some of those might also be additionally covered under other legal concepts anyway.
so it's not that everything that would be covered by "trespassing" in places where that concept exists would automatically be legal here, but rather that that legal concept does not exist here. other legal constructions do, so some specific cases of what elsewhere might be "trespassing" might be illegal, though some of those might also be additionally covered under other legal concepts anyway.
@elexia that makes sense. I'm sure the practical outcome of the laws would still be that I would get in trouble for sneaking into a quarry that wasn't open to the public
@MLE_online maybe. if it's clear that you aren't allowed to enter.
@MLE_online idk if you're not disrupting any operations it might be hard to bring a case for Besitzstörung. especially if the owner/operator isn't there to tell you to leave. what are they going to sue you for?
@elexia I have no idea how Austrian cops behave but I know here there is always some law they can get you for if they can't get you for the thing they want to get you for. I can barely imagine what it would be like to live in a place that's not like that
@MLE_online I mean cops are bad but they aren't quite incentivized to get at many people arrested and convicted as they can. doesn't mean they won't act badly still, but it's not the same systemic push for mass incarceration.
@MLE_online what you look like and the language you speak is gonna really impact your experiences with the police. a lot of cops are just fascists.
@MLE_online and obviously Austria is still racist as fuck.
ache@MLE_online @elexia I'm sorry, i'm not austrian. I'm just dropping a related link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam
Doesn't application to inner property, though.
@MLE_online like yes, obviously if you want to break the law you can find a way to do that. it's just not gonna be something so simple as going onto some empty property. now if you say go into someone's garden and they tell you to leave, you should do that, they do have a legal case against you if you refuse and decide to stay around.
amdThere are some interesting Freedom to Roam laws in a precious few places of the US that offer related freedoms.
Vermont’s constitution enshrines a right to hunt, fish, and hike private land so long as it’s not fenced and posted.
More places should do the same.
Rue Mohr@MLE_online "Sorry, have you seen my ROV around here? Its white and blue..."
fredy cosmoline 
@MLE_online i know i have long since failed these standards after caving to a stern "hey where you going?" that time we may or may not have tried to sneak into a bus yard
@fredy "oh, I'm not going anywhere. I don't know where she's going" and pointing at me
@MLE_online terrible. shameful.
Lefty has moved!@MLE_online
Are we going geocaching?
Are we going geocaching?
@Lefty No, those aren't allowed on private property
Bitslingers-R-Us@MLE_online I can keep it cool! And I can give reasonable reasons explaining why we're doing nothing harmful.