Dr. Maddkap, WerepsychologistWhy are ethics questions always:
“Is it ethical to steal bread if your family is starving?”
And not:
“Is it ethical to hoard a million loaves of bread when other families are starving?”
Andres Jalinton@drmaddkap
In a society where food (water, shelter and other basic needs) is a privilege instead of a human right, it's unethical to steal.
In a society where food (water, shelter and other basic needs) is a privilege instead of a human right, it's unethical to steal.
HighlandLawyer@Andres @drmaddkap
That confuses law with morality. A society which sets out that survival is a privilege is an unethical society, & there is an ethical imperative to oppose it, not to collude with it.
That confuses law with morality. A society which sets out that survival is a privilege is an unethical society, & there is an ethical imperative to oppose it, not to collude with it.
Li ~ Crystal System@Li @Andres @drmaddkap
I would not agree with that, and would be interested to know which basis you are using for that position.
I would not agree with that, and would be interested to know which basis you are using for that position.
@HighlandLawyer @Andres @drmaddkap the fact there very existence is to try control people and that they function to cause harm to people on purpose and violate their rights but it’s “okay now” becuase you see it’s the law doing it, for a start — and that they create a culture of normalised dehumanization and othering towards people.. and that if you apply the stages of genocide to law enforcement it matches perfectly, including the murdering them in mass bit a lot of the time, but you see it’s the law so it’s totally fine now.
@Li @Andres @drmaddkap
"Rights" are a type of law. It seems that you are arguing against certain laws or types of law, rather than that the mere existence of any type of law is unethical.
"Rights" are a type of law. It seems that you are arguing against certain laws or types of law, rather than that the mere existence of any type of law is unethical.
@HighlandLawyer @Andres @drmaddkap human rights are not a “type of law” - fuck off with that shit,
it’s just people having autonomy over themselves, like its a ethics thing, this thing is universally bad,, and it pretty much all derived from agency;autonomy, etc
law is the blatant disregard for people’s rights, it’s coming up with excuses for violating them, setting up parts of the government with the express purpose of violating them,— if you make your rights about what “laws” say they are, then you don’t have rights. You have someone saying “no one can do this to you, also we do this to people all the time, but you see we decided it doesn’t count here, we’re allowed to!” — so you basically don’t have rights.
@Li @Andres @drmaddkap
I'm sorry but that doesn't seem to make any logical sense. According to your description a law saying "do not murder" disregards peoples rights - so that implies people have a right to murder. But any society needs restrictions on individuals absolute autonomy, even if only by mutual consent & to protect others autonomy.
And the last part describes rule by law (controls over you, but not to me) as opposed to rule of law (all are equally bound by the law).
I'm sorry but that doesn't seem to make any logical sense. According to your description a law saying "do not murder" disregards peoples rights - so that implies people have a right to murder. But any society needs restrictions on individuals absolute autonomy, even if only by mutual consent & to protect others autonomy.
And the last part describes rule by law (controls over you, but not to me) as opposed to rule of law (all are equally bound by the law).
@HighlandLawyer @Andres @drmaddkap
they just say that people’s rights are “part of it” so they can claim it doesn’t count when it’s them doing it, as they define what does and doesn’t count; they can also claim that it doesn’t count if they call you a criminal first, (for example)
There less“gov says you can’t do this but then also does them anyway” — which just means they can be taken away whenever, and are basically backdoored from the start,
and more “this is like the things that just are bad to do to people ever in any situation, so don’t do these”
like Laws are unethical, because they violate people’s rights, i.e because they intentionally hurt people and violate their autonomy/agency, and result in a soceity where lots are convinced everyone that’s somehow fine, where dehumanization is rampant — this is not a ‘type of law’ it’s the exact fucking purpose of laws,
Please fuck off with this bullshit
@HighlandLawyer @Andres @drmaddkap If you support laws your a horrible person, you support systemic oppression are fundamentally opposed to human rights, its not them “applied badly” it’s there explicit purpose, you just only care when it’s targeting those you’d deem as the “wrong people”.
Please never talk to me or anyone my system ever again, please be a better person, thanks!