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Artemis"kids these days don't know how to fix anything"
Kids these days have never in their lives encountered anything that was meant to be fixed rather than thrown away.
The Duke of Fall 
@artemis YUP.
And also, school started beating curiosity out of them around the same time they went all-in on standardized testing / "No Child Left Behind."
The Doctor
Tom Magnanimous@drwho @valthonis @artemis remember the middle eastern kid who got the cops called on him because he rearranged the internals of a digital clock and a teacher decided it looked like a bomb (almost certainly based on a combination of racism and seeing movie props)
L'Ć©grĆ©gore AndrĆ© źź¬@drwho @funkula @valthonis @artemis ā¦And that no one involved believed it was a bomb, cause no bomb squad was called and no safety precautions were made. They just called the cops and threw that kid in the back of the car to make a racist statement.
The Great Llama 
@valthonis @artemis
They started beating the curiosity out of kids long before that if you ask me. They value rote repetition over critical thinking and have for many years.
They started beating the curiosity out of kids long before that if you ask me. They value rote repetition over critical thinking and have for many years.
Coach PÄį¹ini Ā®@TheGreatLlama @valthonis @artemis
The purpose of a system is what it does.
Wyatt (š³ļøāā§ļøā?)@artemis s/meant to be fixed/fixable/
DocHolliday@artemis except WWE wrestling matches.
glasspshr@artemis my kid knows how to fix stuff, and it makes me happy to see her do it.
Fox Lee@artemis Trying to teach my niblings about how tower PCs work, like you're meant to replace/upgrade piece by piece instead of buying a whole new laptop every three years.
...Just in time for the CPU/MB manufacturers to decide they're going to change sockets every couple of years anyway. Fuckin capitalism.
...Just in time for the CPU/MB manufacturers to decide they're going to change sockets every couple of years anyway. Fuckin capitalism.
Richard Barrell@TheArtGremblin @artemis ya switching sockets constantly has been a thing intel love to do for decades. If you want sockets that stay supported for 5 years or so then only AMD do that now.
Moz@artemis I just about cry when people take their bicycle to the bike shop and pay to have a puncture fixed. And don't even start me on whether chains need lubrication rather than frequent replacement. I'll help you learn! It's not hard!
I get the occasional free item that just needs a $5 ball bearing replaced etc. So in a way I'm perpetuating and benefiting from the problem.
But yes, too many things are designed not to be repaired when they don't need to be.
@artemis Also, a lot of parents stop them from even trying, let alone learning how.
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Angela Glansbury š½@artemis
they fixed that CEO real good
they fixed that CEO real good
Angua 
@artemis
I suppose I was lucky, being encouraged to learn how things work.
Also I am old enough that Repairpeople (usually men) were the norm.
There is an age cutoff point where people will look askance at duct tape and crossed fingers etc.
I imagine really young people would never have heard of Kit Cars like the Lotus / Caterham 7, most famous one KAR 120 C in The Prisoner.
At the time, if you built it yourself there was a tax advantage.
DIY Brewing...
Hell Maplin Electronic Kits.
Not really their fault, they have grown up in a disposable society and it is killing us.
I suppose I was lucky, being encouraged to learn how things work.
Also I am old enough that Repairpeople (usually men) were the norm.
There is an age cutoff point where people will look askance at duct tape and crossed fingers etc.
I imagine really young people would never have heard of Kit Cars like the Lotus / Caterham 7, most famous one KAR 120 C in The Prisoner.
At the time, if you built it yourself there was a tax advantage.
DIY Brewing...
Hell Maplin Electronic Kits.
Not really their fault, they have grown up in a disposable society and it is killing us.
Michael Grinder@artemis My teenage son discovered a whole subculture on YouTube dedicated to demonstrating how to fix and refurbish old game consoles and computer hardware. He learned enough from watching those videos to refurbish his momās old MacBook and fix a malfunctioning DVD drive on his uncleās Xbox. The iFixit tool set I gave him a couple of years ago was a great investment.
fae_tail@artemis kids know how to fix all kinds of shit. This is a ridiculous statement.
Varyag@artemis modern tech has been engineered in a particular way that prevents people tinkering with it, either to figure out how it works, or to fix it. It discourages learning, removes features and options that people won't even know they're missing, and gives free reign to these corporations to keep pushing and abusing "buy new product now" practices. It's the worst.
I grew up tinkering with computers and reading manuals and helping adults fix things. I also have to teach my way younger brother how to do many things in tech that are kinda obvious to me, but are the result of many years of acquiring practical knowledge. He's not stupid, and he's eager to learn, it's just that nowadays tech isn't conductive to teaching this stuff. It's us, the people who know about it, who need to keep pushing forward the work of teaching them instead.
I grew up tinkering with computers and reading manuals and helping adults fix things. I also have to teach my way younger brother how to do many things in tech that are kinda obvious to me, but are the result of many years of acquiring practical knowledge. He's not stupid, and he's eager to learn, it's just that nowadays tech isn't conductive to teaching this stuff. It's us, the people who know about it, who need to keep pushing forward the work of teaching them instead.
x0@artemis Except, perhaps, a car. Understand your point though, and most people are encouraged, not entirely wrongly, to see a mechanic. Which boils down to don't try to fix it yourself, pay someone to do it!
Brittany Blue
Clayton@artemis Nah, I disagree.
Quite a lot can be fixed today[1], they just don't have enough adults showing them that they can. Go show kids how to fix stuff, it's fun!
1) ya obviously not as much as "it used to be", but it's not zero.
N. š@artemis Adults too.
Noah S. McKinnon@artemis Particularly perplexing when the complaint comesāas it has a few times now in my earshotāfrom parents who also canāt fix anything, because theyāre from around my generation, and our parents either didnāt want us to learn that stuff or didnāt teach us to do it at all well.
Paddy Duke@artemis Also, itās pretty much illegal everywhere to tell anyone else how to, or share tools to help, fix anything with a computer chip in it, which covers an awful lot of the things we own these days.
š¦āā¬@artemis It doesn't help that solo traders are not, on the whole, accepting of apprenticeships.
Robots can be gay deal with it@artemis How old is "kids", because the threshold seems to go up 1 year/yr.
Kevin Prichard@artemis Or designed to be repairable or maintained only by factory or dealership. With some cars and trucks manufactured in the past 15 years, oil changes are only allowed by dealership or licensed repair shops -they're the only people who can access maintenance records to sign off that it was done, proof that your lease terms weren't violated. My first car was a vintage '67 Bug - when the clutch broke I was able to repair it myself for the price of a new pressure plate. Today's Beetle-nope.
bmoreinis=>journa.host@artemis @phaedral On the other hand, there are YouTube videos for how to fix just about anything that can be fixed. That is not the same as having the kind of intelligence needed to figure things out, but it is definitely something. Hopefully young people inherit their grandfatherās tools and they are still lying around to be used.