Mike Gifford, CPWA @FOSDEMDec 4, 2024

Great discussion between Ryan Androsoff & Public Digital's Anna Hirschfeld & Alexandra MacEachern. I sadly missed #FWD50 this year, but it was great to hear about the work to bring the leadership behind #ARadicalHow to Canada.

https://thinkdigital.ca/podcast/the-radical-how/

The Radical How (with Anna Hirschfeld and Alex MacEachern)

Canada has fallen from 3rd in the 2010 UN e-gov rankings to 47 in 2024. We’re stuck when it comes to modernizing government for the digital era. But o...

Show threadMike Gifford, CPWA @FOSDEMDec 4, 2024
@RyanAndrosoff I forgot to tag you here.
Show threadRyan AndrosoffDec 5, 2024
@mgifford so glad you enjoyed the episode!
Show threadMike Gifford, CPWA @FOSDEMDec 5, 2024
@RyanAndrosoff I was thinking of writing something recently about the missed opportunity with open source and #ArriveCan and then this episode rolled up in my podcasts. Perfectly timed.
Show threadRyan AndrosoffDec 5, 2024
@mgifford please do - would love to read it!
Show threadMike Gifford, CPWA @FOSDEMDec 5, 2024

@RyanAndrosoff It wasn't much more than what I wrote on LinkedIn. It should be fleshed out more, but really...

Aside from different content, ArriveCan seemed like a much easier app to build.

It's a form that you need to fill out on a plane. That just can't be that difficult.

Show threadLisa FastDec 5, 2024
@mgifford @RyanAndrosoff whoa there was a LOT going on in the background of ArriveCa and constant changes in the rules. And people without phones and parents doing it for kids and elders and lots of logic rules. Not saying it was designed well (so much hardcoding 🤪) but let’s not go down the build it Ina weekend path a weekend path.
Show threadLisa FastDec 5, 2024
@mgifford @RyanAndrosoff and it was a form for boats, and different requirements for driving and walking across and places without Internet etc.
Show threadMike Gifford, CPWA @FOSDEM
@lisafast @RyanAndrosoff so pretty simple functional compared to the Covid alert app.
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Show threadLisa FastDec 5, 2024
@mgifford @RyanAndrosoff You mean Covid Alert was simpler? Because yes Covid Alert did seem much simpler and was built on a detection code base produced by others.
Show threadMike Gifford, CPWA @FOSDEMDec 5, 2024

@lisafast @RyanAndrosoff i don't know what the requirements actually were, but ArriveCan was ultimately a mobile app with local storage and some forms. So was the covid alert app, but it also needed to connect to two types of networks to detect and communicate. ArriveCan sure seems simpler.

ArriveCan chose not to build on an existing, tested, open siurce code base.