cm0002Dec 3, 2024

Meme.

https://lemmy.world/post/22725352

Meme. - Lemmy.World

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/15795315 [https://slrpnk.net/post/15795315]

Show threadAlleroDec 4, 2024

As a resident of a politically indifferent instance that is on good terms with everyone, I can say one thing:

Fuck absolutely everyone who turns Lemmy into yet another Internet battlefield.

Leave .ml alone. Leave Hexbear alone. Even yes - leave Lemmygrad alone. People there will not change their opinion when facing hatred, and newbies coming there doesn’t change the big picture, as Lemmy is federated and they can figure stuff out for themselves.

Trying to silence entire instances, especially the biggest ones, is absolutely not a welcoming picture to whoever’s coming here, and being cut out and filtered for happening to choose the “wrong” instance is the worst possible greeting.

Show threadEldritch

Plenty of us tried that. We weren’t the ones that turned it into a political Battlefield. I didn’t start out blocking their communities and servers. I’m a pragmatist. Actually largely against people who are blindly ideological regardless of the ideology. Even if I tend to personally identify with the anarchist Spectrum.

Hell lemmygrad and hexbear weren’t banned because of their politics. They were banned because of their behavior. Anyone who behaved like so many of them did should have been banned regardless of politics. Lemmy.world was de-federated by certain servers for far far less.

And if you want to exist in a bubble. Then by all means please do. But don’t admonish other people for not doing so. Ignoring politics and being ignorant of politics is in large part how so many of the problems we have today were created. People left alone at the levers of power who should never have had any business. All because people were content and ignorant.

Dec 5, 2024 at 2:12amWeb
Show threadDiva (she/her)Dec 5, 2024

And if you want to exist in a bubble. Then by all means please do. But don’t admonish other people for not doing so. Ignoring politics and being ignorant of politics is in large part how so many of the problems we have today were created. People left alone at the levers of power who should never have had any business. All because people were content and ignorant.

Just wanted to chime in that I agree with this, and frankly that’s why I value keeping an eye on what the narrative that both sides have been operating by. I don’t see how any of the problems we face are served by selective ignorance.

Hell lemmygrad and hexbear weren’t banned because of their politics. They were banned because of their behavior. Anyone who behaved like so many of them did should have been banned regardless of politics.

To say they weren’t banned for their politics but instead their behavior is a bit misleading in terms the sequence of events. The .world defederation was preemptive as near as I can tell- Hexbear turned on federation but before they federated with anyone, .world had already defederated. The citations in the .world defed thread were all pre-federation threads of people being hyped to connect to more people. Even if people were saying they wanted to ‘bully libs’, that just reads to me like people talking shit because as far as I can tell the hexbears never made a single post anywhere on .world.

The thread in question cited several threads, it’s a bit dramatic in places, but also explicitly instructing people not to break rules- standard things to be aware of in posting on a federated instance even if they are being dramatic or saying they’re propagandists- there’s plenty of normal people there from what I’ve observed this last year. If the points they outlined in that post are to be their party line then at least they’re just stating it right there so you know what their angle is going to be.

I feel like the case that it was not political censorship would be stronger if the whole thing had been less vibes based from the start.

Lemmy.world Hexbear Statement - Lemmy.World

Update: The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard. ————- Original post: Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770 [https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770]. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules. Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here [https://lemmy.world/legal]. The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below: - “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.” - “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.” - “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.” The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology. In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected. Here are some examples: >“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.” >“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.” - https://lemmy.world/comment/121850 [https://lemmy.world/comment/121850] - https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168 [https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168] - https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084 [https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084] - https://lemmy.world/comment/171595 [https://lemmy.world/comment/171595] - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500] Overall community comments: - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128] - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086] - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828] To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made. - https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656 [https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559 [https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170 [https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529 [https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529] Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected. We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.