cm0002Dec 3, 2024

Meme.

https://lemmy.world/post/22725352

Meme. - Lemmy.World

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/15795315 [https://slrpnk.net/post/15795315]

Show threadAllero

As a resident of a politically indifferent instance that is on good terms with everyone, I can say one thing:

Fuck absolutely everyone who turns Lemmy into yet another Internet battlefield.

Leave .ml alone. Leave Hexbear alone. Even yes - leave Lemmygrad alone. People there will not change their opinion when facing hatred, and newbies coming there doesn’t change the big picture, as Lemmy is federated and they can figure stuff out for themselves.

Trying to silence entire instances, especially the biggest ones, is absolutely not a welcoming picture to whoever’s coming here, and being cut out and filtered for happening to choose the “wrong” instance is the worst possible greeting.

Dec 4, 2024 at 2:11pmWeb
Show threadZombiFrancisDec 4, 2024

My instance has communities dedicated to this shit.

Some of your more vocal voices in this crusade against .ml tend to be pretty active in drone kill footage communities.

Having someone who actively supports Israeli operations in Gaza browbeat others about comments on Uyghurs is just a context to get used to.

It gets pretty easy to ignore once you see a full cycle of it.

Show threadshezznazzDec 4, 2024
The zionists here, too? I used reddit for over a decade and left because of how awful zionists barrage reddit into a propogandist cesspit. And yes screw anyone who makes lemmy a battleground like reddit
Show threadAlleroDec 4, 2024
Lemmy is generally leaning pro-Palestine, but it varies.
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Dec 5, 2024
Lemmy.world has the most Zionists on Lemmy, as well as the most tolerance for Zionism and erasure of the US’ involvement in the genocide.
Show threadshezznazzDec 5, 2024
Shit, I clearly joined the wrong fediverse. I’d rather be called a tankie then be in the same boat as zionists. Tho tbh I search all of the fedverse and pro israeli genocidal content isn’t too prevalent while reddit is genuinely taken over by zionists and American/European evangelicals
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Dec 5, 2024

I have been directly censored and banned on a large and active Lemmy.world community for explaining why the US is involved with the Palestinian genocide. I can’t paste the modlog here because doing so breaks Lemmy.world’s rules.

In case you check my modlog, here is the context for the [email protected] ban. The moderator banned me for calling out their regurgitation of white supremacist “anti-DEI” nonsense about non-white people being included in God of War. They since deleted their account and locked the sub, now its just bot posts for the most part.

[OPINION] The gaming industry is heading for a big crash. And we should let it happen. - Lemmy

Edit: Well it seems like people here don’t agree with me. OK. I’m locking this post now as the very thing that I said happens has happened. Right here. I was called a bigot for being against DEI. Calling people racists or bigots and/or claiming harassment when those people call You out and then screaming VICTIM is simply unacceptable Most of you have also proved my very first point for my far more effectively than I ever could >Being a gamer on the internet in 2024 is not a very pleasant experience. Which unless you conform to the beliefs of the very loud and vocal minority is unfortunately a fact of life 2024. The hard leftists have decided they own the internet and gaming industry and everyone else who dares oppose them is not welcome. Being a gamer on the internet in 2024 is not a very pleasant experience. You either support DEI in games or you’re a racist bigot. There’s no middle ground. What happened to the days when we could talk about the games we like without having to worry if we are ALLOWED to like a certain game? If I was proclaim my support for Suicide Squad kills the Justice League the right wing gamers would yell at me. If I was to say I didn’t like Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League the left wing gamers and the journalists would yell at me. There’s no way to win. My person opinion is all politics, racial issues and gender identity should be left out of games and writers should create the stories that they want to create without worrying if they have enough white or black or gay or trans characters. As long as the story is good and the gameplay is good and the characters are well developed most people don’t care what colour the main character is or if they’re gay or not. But in 2024 that just isn’t the world we live in anymore. The developers and journalists seem to have decided that gamers are the enemy and will be told what to like and if they push back they are branded as taking part in harassment campaigns. So the gaming industry crashing and having to start again probably wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I’m tired of being told what to like and what not to like by developers, journalists and other gamers on both sides of the arguments. I’ve been a gamer for 34 years and I don’t have any desire to buy any new games or support any developer for the foreseeable future and that makes me sad. I love playing games and I loved talking about games but things have changed and it’s no longer fun.

Show threadcm0002Dec 4, 2024

Fuck absolutely everyone who turns Lemmy into yet another Internet battlefield.

This is what the tankies do, would you rather have them just run roughshod all over Lemmy spreading hostile country authoritarian propaganda?

Leave .ml alone. Leave Hexbear alone. Even yes - leave Lemmygrad alone. People there will not change their opinion when facing hatred

Not about changing Tankie opinions, they’re too far gone, this is about pushing back on the spread of authoritarian BS.

and newbies coming there doesn’t change the big picture, as Lemmy is federated and they can figure stuff out for themselves.

“Don’t tell the new comers to town about the Nazis at the Nazi bar, let them figure it out for themselves so they have a negative experience and leave”

Trying to silence entire instances, especially the biggest ones, is absolutely not a welcoming picture to whoever’s coming here

If they’re (admins and mods) going to allow a toxic culture on their instance, then it doesn’t matter their size. Toxic Tankies is not a good look at all.

and being cut out and filtered for happening to choose the “wrong” instance is the worst possible greeting.

The worst possible greeting, is seeing Tankie shit takes with paragraphs of “Russia/China did nothing wrong” and everyone going “We let them post their stuff because we don’t want to hurt their fefes”

Show threadAlleroDec 4, 2024

I’ll bash them too when I see them doing so. So long, it’s mostly them (or really, everyone leftier than liberals bunched along with actual tankies) that are under fire.

Your war made too much collateral damage, that’s what I’m saying. Newbies come to .ml and other popular instances, and are attacked on the spot for being presumably almost Nazis. Others come and see this mess.

You are so concerned about someone making China/Russia look better that you are ready to overlook everything else.

Show threadPugJesusDec 4, 2024

You are so concerned about someone making China/Russia look better that you are ready to overlook everything else.

Of course, genocide is such a small thing compared to people feeling uncomfortable.

Show threadfuckingkangaroosDec 4, 2024
Well said, I completely agree.
Show threadlurklurkDec 4, 2024
Don’t you know that defending against authoritarians is the real authoritarianism? Just look at how Ukraine is visiously provoking russia to invade by checks notes defending themselves during the invasion
Show threadTheFririshDec 4, 2024
lol look at the downvotes on this one… these tankies coordinate themselves against opinions that they don’t like. it’s ridiculously obvious.
Show threadKrauerkingDec 4, 2024

Right. Everyone disagreeing with you is just an “other” that doesn’t belong to your group that should be rightfully ignored because they are lesser than you.

Oh happy day the liberals sure are superior to the rest of us and we would all know our place to respect that.

Just so you know I down voted you too. And hey look. No tankie or .ml

Show threadTheFririshDec 4, 2024
.ml participate in bad faith in conversations of course there are some normal downvotes but that technique has been used in the past. Since I have been tagging the worst offenders I have found their behaviour in terms of commenting/posting to be dogmatic. They rarely participate in non political themes and if they do some of them still spread their ideology. I don’t want explain too much… I understand that you disagree with me but since I have been investigating on my own I have been really surprised at how bad the problem was.
Show threadKrauerkingDec 5, 2024

And what?

Holy crap that’s the least “human I wish to spend any time with” ever response. This is what you are spending your time on? Oh my God.

Show threadTheFririshDec 5, 2024

I’m sorry I came across in the wrong manner.

I didn’t intend for my response to sound passive aggressive or that your opinion did not matter (English is not my first language after all).

To clarify my previous position, I just want to say that I don’t disregard .ml opinions based on the origin of their instance. I was just trying to point out that a lot of problematic behaviour comes from some individuals on .ml.

That being said I just want Lemmy to succeed in general and when I see their behaviour, it pains me because I know the damage it does to lemmy as a whole. I noticed I take toxicity waaaaay more personally here rather than on reddit because It’s just corporate shit anyway.

You are right though I could be spending my time doing better things rather than waisting it calling out pro-genocide/genocide deniers/authoritarians who paint themselves as "socialists/communists”

In their defence posts like these, especially in this community, serves no other purpose rather than to stir things up and get a reaction.

Show threadKrauerkingDec 5, 2024

Yeah this post was a shit stirrer for people to get an easy hit of emotional payoff.

I also want this place to succeed but people spending every day lamenting the way that other people are living doesn’t make this place feel inviting. And there will always be idiots and people being bad about something or another.

I hope you find yourself doing stuff you enjoy or makes the world better instead of just hunting down all the ways for it to make you feel worse.

Show threadPossibly linuxDec 4, 2024

I have no problems with tankies expressing there opinions. The problem is when someone points out they are wrong they get mad and if the mods are tankie they ban you. If not they just get mad and start name calling.

In a nutshell I think they should be allowed as long as they follow the rules. Same for everyone else.

Show threadBuddahrifficDec 4, 2024

Yeah, from my pov, it’s not about silencing their opinions as much as it is wanting to avoid their authority because they abuse it to push their opinions.

Same reason I ultimately left Reddit. Admins were making choices I didn’t like and forcing them on their users. The new site and official app both suck, but I had the option of using other apps or the old site. Even the old site isn’t a great experience on mobile vs some 3rd party apps, but then they killed off the apps in a way that looked like they weren’t being honest about (though in hindsight it was more about wanting to price access for AI training than specifically wanting to kill the 3rd party apps imo).

Lemmy isn’t immune from any of that, but the impact isn’t as high because federation gives options. And corruption turns into more of a game of whack a mole instead of “throw lots of money at the one entity controlling it” like Reddit and Twitter.

Show threadRememberTheApollo_Dec 4, 2024
I made the mistake of not knowing I was on an .ml community and disagreed with a post using, y’know, facts, and was downvoted to shit because my reply didn’t jive with the room’s echo chamber. I don’t know what you mean by “leave(ing) them alone” when their brand of hate and bullshittery bleeds into the “All” feed. We’re supposed to welcome that? Paradox of tolerance and all that. If someone joins one of those instances I kinda find it hard to believe that they wouldn’t check out and stick with what they’re attracted to in the first place.
Show threaddeaf_fishDec 5, 2024
So if there was a instance called “obviously a bunch of Nazis” and we’re all openly Nazis. You would be fine with that? Or am I missing the point?
Show threadEldritchDec 5, 2024

Plenty of us tried that. We weren’t the ones that turned it into a political Battlefield. I didn’t start out blocking their communities and servers. I’m a pragmatist. Actually largely against people who are blindly ideological regardless of the ideology. Even if I tend to personally identify with the anarchist Spectrum.

Hell lemmygrad and hexbear weren’t banned because of their politics. They were banned because of their behavior. Anyone who behaved like so many of them did should have been banned regardless of politics. Lemmy.world was de-federated by certain servers for far far less.

And if you want to exist in a bubble. Then by all means please do. But don’t admonish other people for not doing so. Ignoring politics and being ignorant of politics is in large part how so many of the problems we have today were created. People left alone at the levers of power who should never have had any business. All because people were content and ignorant.

Show threadDiva (she/her)Dec 5, 2024

And if you want to exist in a bubble. Then by all means please do. But don’t admonish other people for not doing so. Ignoring politics and being ignorant of politics is in large part how so many of the problems we have today were created. People left alone at the levers of power who should never have had any business. All because people were content and ignorant.

Just wanted to chime in that I agree with this, and frankly that’s why I value keeping an eye on what the narrative that both sides have been operating by. I don’t see how any of the problems we face are served by selective ignorance.

Hell lemmygrad and hexbear weren’t banned because of their politics. They were banned because of their behavior. Anyone who behaved like so many of them did should have been banned regardless of politics.

To say they weren’t banned for their politics but instead their behavior is a bit misleading in terms the sequence of events. The .world defederation was preemptive as near as I can tell- Hexbear turned on federation but before they federated with anyone, .world had already defederated. The citations in the .world defed thread were all pre-federation threads of people being hyped to connect to more people. Even if people were saying they wanted to ‘bully libs’, that just reads to me like people talking shit because as far as I can tell the hexbears never made a single post anywhere on .world.

The thread in question cited several threads, it’s a bit dramatic in places, but also explicitly instructing people not to break rules- standard things to be aware of in posting on a federated instance even if they are being dramatic or saying they’re propagandists- there’s plenty of normal people there from what I’ve observed this last year. If the points they outlined in that post are to be their party line then at least they’re just stating it right there so you know what their angle is going to be.

I feel like the case that it was not political censorship would be stronger if the whole thing had been less vibes based from the start.

Lemmy.world Hexbear Statement - Lemmy.World

Update: The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard. ————- Original post: Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770 [https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770]. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules. Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here [https://lemmy.world/legal]. The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below: - “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.” - “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.” - “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.” The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology. In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected. Here are some examples: >“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.” >“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.” - https://lemmy.world/comment/121850 [https://lemmy.world/comment/121850] - https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168 [https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168] - https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084 [https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084] - https://lemmy.world/comment/171595 [https://lemmy.world/comment/171595] - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500] Overall community comments: - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128] - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086] - https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828 [https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828] To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made. - https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656 [https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559 [https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170 [https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170] - https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529 [https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529] Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected. We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.