I've come to understand what's happening in frontend's decade-long failure to deliver decent user experiences as a sort of epistemic closure. I'm calling it "frameworkism", and the epicenter is now React.

Here's a lot of words on why we should all reject it, and what the post-React world should look like:

https://infrequently.org/2024/11/if-not-react-then-what/

If Not React, Then What?

Frameworkism is now the dominant creed of today's frontend discourse, and it's bullshit. We owe it to ourselves and to our users to reject dogma and embrace engineering as a discipline that strives to serve users first and foremost.

Alex Russell

@slightlyoff I've being doing this for so long (#webdev). I have an inkling that everytime this conversation comes up and the person doing the "front end frameworks are killing us" cautioning - can't or won't actually recommend an alternative - it's because it will never be possible.

Not until the JS baked directly into the browser stops sucking so badly.

It's bandaids on top of wounds on top of bandaids.

#Javascript

@syntaxseed @slightlyoff

> Not until the JS baked directly into the browser stops sucking so badly.

I've heard this before, and while I don't disagree, the goal post for "good js" always seems to be moving.

Granted it's been ages since I wrote front end, one big issue we had was cross browser compatible. It seems that's mostly a moot point. Yet the sentiment remains.

@UkiahSmith @syntaxseed @slightlyoff Just bake jQuery UI in the browser!
3 years later: these UI primitives baked in the browser are terrible, here is a much better userland alternative.