đJokerZelenskyy suggests he's prepared to end Ukraine war in return for NATO membership, even if Russia doesn't immediately return seized land
ERROR: Earth.exe has crashedSo is the parts of Ukraine under foreign occupation not gonna be part of NATO?
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Howâs this gonna work?
Thatâs how I interpret it.
PyrNot unless Ukraine diplomatically gets it back from Russia, rather than through fighting, which is unlikely. It would effectively be Russian territory at that point.
RubberDuckIt would be part of the negotiations, so the most likely way it will work is that to cease hostilities, they agree on a line on the map and everything left of the line is NATO. Anything short of that would mean Putin crosses the line in a few years.
Then negotiate with Russia about returning occupied territories in exchange for⌠Lifting sanctions, returning cash, trade agreements, whatever.
Ukraine would agree not to militarily contest those areas and would basically give up the ability to call on NATO in respect to them.
In return theyâd have NATO troops, actual British, French, and German troops on the border of what is NATO daring Russia to do anything else. If it was anyone other than Trump in the White House the US would put a base in Ukraine and maintain an entire armored brigade in the area.
Kind of like China in the Korean War. Except weâd be getting a cease fire first instead of second.
SibboThat would really suck for the people under Russian occupation. But be really good for all the other peopleâŚ
Probably the best option left now that Trump will just throw him to the wolves
x00zIt would probably come with the safe passage to UkraineâŚ
It wonât. Russia ABSOLUTELY needs those people because theyâve thrown hundreds of thousands of able-bodied men (and, reportedly, a lot of less-than-able-bodied men as well) into the meatgrinder for this war. Thatâs part of why theyâve taken the old imperial strategy of deporting a LOT of the people in conquered areas to areas away from the fighting - itâs part to get them out of the way, but also part to divorce them from that area, and make it a HELL of a lot harder to get back there (if thereâs even a âthereâ to go back to).
In other words, âwe know we shoved you and your family into a bus at gunpoint and dumped you in Siberia, but if you wanna go home, youâll need to find your own way. Also donât forget rent is due the 1st.â
Yes, and Russia was already facing a demographic crisis before the war. Its part of why theyâre kidnapping children.
Yep, they have an ongoing drug and AIDS crisis, and lost a lot of people to Covid since they only had their own vaccine, refusing other ones, which only worked in about half the cases though and which people were very sceptical of since the anti-vaccine propaganda on social media started by Russian bots to weaken the West backfired since Russians believed it as well.
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I think he is being idealistic about Republicansâ support for NATO. When Russia attacks Ukraine again, Trump will not support NATO.
Europe will, though, in full force. European Union even more so when Ukraine is a member
This was my interpretation as well. Zelenskyy sees the writing on the wall, U.S. support has an expiration date. He needs to make his case now so heâs part of NATO before Trump tries to hang Ukraine and NATO out to dry.
Non starter. Pretend ceasefire while nato troops get installed in Ukraine.
The peace deal that was scuttled by UK/US in March 2022 did include referendums to let regions join Russia or Ukraine. I donât think the âdemocracy loversâ would support these any more, but it would be a genuine formula for peace, and one where Ukraine would reform its government, and could successfully hold territory if western economic help were given. The delusion with that plan is that Ukraine is only loved for its commitment to suicidal war instigation.
ThatWeirdGuy1001Yeah cause giving away land to stop a dictator from going further has always worked.
Gestures at the start of ww2
And we already have proof. Ukraine gave away Crimea and that only encouraged Putin to attack Ukraine again.
The peace deal that was scuttled by UK/US in March 2022 did include referendums to let regions join Russia or Ukraine
Known fake news...
Reported in west, confirmed by facilitators, BoJo quoted in scuttling deal, also reported in west. Top US cabinet quoted calling it a strategic imperative to diminish Russia. But, sure⌠fake news if it exposes demonic warmongering evil.
Russia was not interested in the deal, negotiations were done in bad faith. So idiots online have talking points to spread;) Russia still thought they could flip Ukraine relatively easily at that point anyway, why would they settle for less than he entire pie?
Complete total fabrication. Russia has never been interested in ruling Ukraine. The siege towards Kiev was intimidation. Liberating the Russian parts is a necessary response to Ukraineâs nazification. But very simple/reasonable red lines were always the offramp to peace.
Your beliefs are pure absolute lies needed to sustain the fiction that Russia provoked the war, and that you too must support a defense of Europe instead of the diminishment of Russia, and all of the profits that will never trickle down to you for that support.
Russia has never been interested in ruling Ukraine.
Learn some history, boy.
Thank you for dropping other shill points btw so readers can make up their own mind on how credible your commentary on the topic is.
I hope you get paid at least like Tom Pool and Lauren Southern.
Wanting a Ukrainian leader that is mildly friendly to Russia, as is Ukraineâs interest, or Canadaâs interest to be friendly with US, is not the same as ruling the country.
The complete total absurdity of your fabrications is a Hasbara level of dedication to the empire that with near certainty comes from a military base IP. Your complete disregard for recent events does let you pretend to be a historian, much less an honest one.
Russia has never been interested in ruling Ukraine.
Youâre either an ignorant fool or a malicious piece of dung.
Idiots, shills, and LLMs.
magnetosphereFuck. I knew things were going badly for Ukraine, but not this badly.
The US is providing a lot of resources to Ukraine and the second Trump takes over the White House, Ukraine loses that support.
This is one of several things heâs said in the last couple weeks. He essentially threw it out there during an interview to let NATO and Russia know thatâs a deal heâd take. Heâs also said theyâre going to fight until the Ruble reaches the center of the earth. (Not his exact words)
Itâs political messaging. They still have a lot of levers they can pull.
underiskWhat exactly makes him think putting any part of Ukraine in NATO is going to make Russia suddenly stop invading them, rather than spark an even greater conflict? Has Putin offered any kind of deal like that?
Well, if they draw a line at the invaded territory, the next time Russia tries to invade even deeper into Ukraine they legally bound get all of the NATO members on their ass. So they might think twice.
Then he wasnât going to stop at just Ukraine anyways and thereâs no reason to wait.
Probably an assumption that Russia wishes to continue to exist.
Anything where Ukraine doesnât end as a full NATO member I suicide for Ukraine and zelenski personally. Putin has shown he doesnât care, he wonât stop, and any agreement made will be broken the second people turn their heads around.
Ukraine becomes a full NATO and European Union or theyâre dead, and Iâm sure zelenski is VERY aware of this
EU Defence pact would be a similar level of security, especially with Trump in the White House.
bufalo1973So they will accept something that was on the table TWO years ago. Itâll be fun to see the explanation to the families of the soldiers.
Lol, like anyone but Putin and Russia are to blame, or like the âNATO membershipâ isnât an important detail living next to a fascist state.
This possible agreement was already on the table two years ago when Boris Johnson convinced him to keep on with the war. And of course Putin is the one invading. But that agreement means everyone that has died in the last two years has died for nothing. Or even worse, because Russia is controlling even more territory than two years ago.
But it seems Zelenski canât make mistakes and NATO is always looking for the common good and human rights, right?
They died because Putin is a fascist.
End story.
End of YOUR story. But the fact is that Boris Johnson derailed an agreement that was almost this one. And signing a shitty agreement before the death of thousands vs signing the same agreement AFTER the death of thousands of your citizens is not the same.
Ukraine has just been a pawn in NATOs hands to make Russia bleed. If NATO had send all the help the send now from the beginning, there was a chance that Putin had turn around and left. But the target wasnât that but keep the war active. NATO had done the same thing fishermen use to make Russia stay in Ukraine.
And the ones suffering have been the people of Ukraine (civilians and military) and the soldiers from Russia (I have the hunch that most didnât wanted to go there).
I hate that those bastards donât put on a pair of boxing gloves and decide the war in a ring but send thousands of people to die for them.
Ok buddy fascist
I havenât insulted you. And the insult is the last resort when you donât have anything to say.
Ok buddy fascist.
THCDentonErdogan just gonna veto it lol