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#ErrolMusk ◄ father of #ElonMusk #Apartheid #Podcast #Emerald #Mining #Children #Racism
The Musk Family Tree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnb-uNTo28w
A VERY LONG #Thread
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#lMusk INDEX:
"Maye", refers to Maye Musk, mother of Elon Musk, Kimbal Musk and Tosca Musk, who holds Canadian, South African, and American citizenship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maye_Musk
“Scarlett Johannsen” is 'Scarlett Ingrid Johansson', USA (and world's highest paid) Actress / Singer. Forbes Celebrity 100 list; One of the top 100 most influential people in the world – Time
Sergey Brin - Sergey Mikhailovich Brin, co-founded Google and was President of its parent company, Alphabet.
A VERY LONG #Thread #Musk
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In other "look at where this guy comes from" news, Elon Musk's father just did a lengthy podcast episode that opens with the host saying "I bet the last time you had this many black people in your house someone was trying to rob you" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH1U5x8LXgs #YouTube #Video
Errol Musk insists that his father wasn't a racist and then goes on to explain that English speaking South Africans were deeply discriminated against at the time, don't you know he tries to say that Elon and Kimball had black friends, but basically only says that Kimball did (the interviewer, who is black, performs polite surprise)
Apartheid was bad, and nobody wants to go back, says Errol Musk, but back then the white government had a paternalistic sense of obligation to help black people that is sadly lacking today. There it is, your nuanced apartheid take of the day.
"when I meet I guys at the top, I tell them they have to include more white guys in the cabinet"
ok, not sure if I can keep listening to this..
Errol Musk has always been anti-Apartheid, but during Apartheid P.W. Botha's [the National Party prime minister] wife and daughter would stay with them because they were such close friends... amazing how that works, staunchly anti-Apartheid but close personal friends with the guy who fought the end of Apartheid and refused to testify at the Truth and Reconciliation Committee, very cool.
The origin story for Errol Musk's infamous emerald mine is that his pal Botha made a speech insisting that white rule would last forever, and investment in South African development dried up, and Musk's engineering business with it...
"although I was living on money I had, it was hard for me too". He was selling a plane he owned to raise some cash due to the economic downturn, and he wanted to save money by not flying to Jedda during the Eid festival...
and was killing time and Lake Tanganyika, where he met the Italian emerald mine owners and effectively traded his plane for a 50% share
Errol Musk effectively admitting that he sold emeralds around the world in defiance of the anti-Apartheid economic sanctions that got him into that business in the first place
Errol Musk has to catch himself after casually referring to Zimbabwe as "Rhodesia... um, the old Rhodesia."
Cash for emerald deals, done in the middle of the street to avoid being robbed, real pillar of the community shit..
Errol Musk confirms that Elon is lying when he says his father didn't own a mine and that he didn't benefit from it. Elon was both physically at the mine, and personally involved in selling emeralds to Tiffany's in New York.
"Elon knows all about the emeralds. It's just because, you see, he wants to tell the people in America that he also had a hard time." ~Errol Musk
Errol Musk insists he is not proud of killing three people in a home invasion, but the way he describes the fact that he only fired twice (one bullet killed two people) and his assailants fired more than 50 times strongly suggests otherwise.
An almost touching moment as Errol Musk talks about moving to England with his mother as a child, and being surprised to find that they were kind to children in England,
#Musk
unlike in South Africa where as a child you were "hiding every day... doesn't matter if you were good or bad, hiding every day"
Errol describe Maye Musk's parents as being "fanatical" in their support of Apartheid. "Her parents came to South Africa from Canada, because they sympathized with the Afrikaaner government"·
"They used to support Hitler, and all that sort of stuff" (!!!!)
"Obviously they didn't know what the Nazis were doing, but in Canada they were in the Nazi, in the German party in Canada, and they sympathized with the Germans. So when the Afrikaaner government came into power here in 1948, then Maye's father... said he wants to be with the Afrikaaners".
Errol was involved in an anti-Apartheid student group, and it caused friction with Maye's parents, who were "quite rude" to him about it.
Errol says he didn't want to deal with them, so he broke up with Maye, who spent three weeks crying and "lost all her weight." This is how she became a model (!!).
Cable news outlets really need to start putting "Former Ms Transvaal" on Maye Musk's chiron
Errol says of his breakup with Maye: "we were top of the social pile, top of the economic pile, top of the political pile... when you have too much good life, you start to, as a man, you start being casual"
Sir, have you by any chance ever passed this lesson on to your son?
Admitting that Maye no longer speaks to him, even when in the same room, Errol reveals that "Elon said to her (Maye) she must get back with me... but, no"
ok, this is getting super weird as the conversation shifts to family stuff
Of Maye's accusations of abuse, Errol says "she made that all up"... he insists they continued to see each other, and that she tried to get back together with him two years after their split ("I should have said yes")... abuse allegations only came "when these books started coming out"
"so when you now impregnate [your second wife's] daughter"
"well that's a tough way to put it"
OK, we've officially arrived at the grossest part of the interview
Errol and his second wife divorced in 2004. In 2014, his second wife's daughter (who he says did not live with them growing up) reached out to say she was struggling and needed money. Yadda yadda yadda, he impregnated his stepdaughter.
I need a shower now.
He gave her a car and sent her money every week, because she was skinny and impoverished and living in what he describes as squalor... after two years of this her boyfriend threw her out, she's on the street, and Errol invites her to live with him "after a while... we sort of started a relationship".
Errol defends himself by saying that his step-daughter was 29, and had already had a child, by the time he took advantage of her impoverishment and dependence on him. Extremely classy stuff.
#Musk
"she stayed here for two or three weeks, then she and her boyfriend made up... so she went back to the boyfriend, the one who had thrown her out, so then after about two months she came to see me... and told me she's pregnant." He thought the baby couldn't be his, but DNA testing confirmed it was.
"we still see each other... I provided her with a little house"
"Kimball said 'well, you know, it happens' and Elon said, you know, he's not worried about that, you know, because they're boys, they're not interested. My daughters, on the other hand, were shocked. This girl was like their sister so they were like *disapproving face* but anyway"
Errol denies that the gross family situation was responsible for his falling out with Elon. "I had a falling out with Elon because of my support for Trump," he says.
EXCUSE ME WHAT
"I'm not into wokeness and gayness and transgender stuff. What these people in America, Biden and them, I like a country to be well-run... I followed Trump's career because he was in the same work as me... when he said he would stand for president, I said he's a good man."
"Elon was a Democrat at the time"
"Well yes, if you go to America from South Africa and you're a white person, in those days you had to not be showing that you are a supporter of anything but, you know, being a Democrat".
"My daughter used to cry and say that the girls treated her very bad because she's a white girl from South Africa, so I said to my daughter, just ask them: 'where are the red Indians?'"
Oh. My.
Elon shipped Scarlett Johannsen and Jennifer Lawrence (along with Sergey Brin) out to Capetown in order to go out to dinner for his dad's 70th birthday
At Errol's 70th birthday party in 2016, John Favreau told Errol "I hear you're a Trump supporter" and when he admitted he was the entire Hollywood contingent laughed at him.
When asked why he supported Trump, Errol said he was a good businessman who doesn't mess around. "You want to talk about race things, Trump has more awards for helping poor people and people across the race spectrum than anyone"
After his 70th birthday meal, where Errol outed himself as a Trump supporter in front of the Hollywood glitterati, Kimball Musk was furious, saying he'd embarrassed him in front of his friends, and Elon said "it's evil to support Trump." This was the cause of the family breach.
ELL OH ELL
“He was just brainwashed by those Democrats, because now Elon supports Trump!"
As a child, Elon wouldn't hesitate to ask adults "are you stupid or something," Errol says. He tried to teach the young Elon that it was rude to say that, even if the person was in fact stupid, but it would seem that the lesson didn't really stick
In second grade Elon's teachers asked Errol to come in to meet with them. He was worried his son had told a teacher they were stupid, but the teachers were actually worried that Elon was "retarded." "That's the word they used," Errol says. Apparently the problem was that Elon didn't engage with them.
Elon had been staring out the window for hours, and wouldn't respond to teachers, until one finally got his attention and all the young Musk said was "the trees are turning green." "So they came to the conclusion that he's retarded," Errol says. "What I did was put him in a better school.
"He was reading books very early on. At age 9 he was already reading, especially books about dungeons and dragons and you know all sorts of creepy stuff."
"as far as academics, or being really smart... eh, he was OK"
"Was he bullied?"
"No, that's another story that's not exactly true. Some boy's father had committed suicide and everyone knew, and Elon said to this boy 'your father was stupid.' Now, you shouldn't do that... so the boy waited until Elon wasn't looking and he pushed Elon down a flight of stairs".
Had to cut it from the quote, but Errol clarified that he also thought the boy's father was stupid for committing suicide, but of course one mustn't say that... fascinating that Errol can sort of walk that line (but still has to say it to someone?), but Elon obviously can't at all
Errol went to the school and the police over this incident, and they told him that what Elon had said to the boy "was too much, you can't say that" and refused to pursue charges. "And I agreed," Errol adds, saying "I felt very sorry for this boy... he was weeping all the time."
"Elon was a nerd with the ladies"
least surprising reveal of this wild interview
"he's not a smooth operator".
Errol raving about Elon's underling and baby mama Shivon Zillis, who he describes as a "very smart, Indian sort of woman, but she's SMART and that suits him very well."
This is how I found out Zillis's mother is Punjabi. Errol seems very fixated on ethnicity.
Errol, on Elon's fixation on procreation: "If you're a dope, don't have kids. But you're not a dope, so you should have lots of kids. So the thing is if you can afford it, but you mustn't have kids if you can't afford it.
Errol says it's not just about money, you also have to have time for your kids. Elon regrets not spending more time with his first batch of offspring, he says, and he's having more to make up for it.
Because that is DEFINITELY how that works!
Despite having declared himself "anti transgender" earlier, Errol says of Musk's trans daughter Vivian Wilson "my advice to [Elon] was 'you should love people for who they are, not who they were.'" He says transgender people have existed throughout history and preaches Christian acceptance.
To be clear, the way Errol speaks about this is absolutely soaked in transphobia and dehumanizing rhetoric, don't want to whitewash that at all here... but the quote above is more accepting and tolerant than anything Elon has ever said on the topic
very odd anecdote about women friends coming to him to reveal that their son is gay, and Errol already knowing, and telling them
"it's not such a big thing"... just like his apartheid politics, Errol likes to feel just slightly more enlightened than the deeply bigoted society he's a part of.
When asked if Elon is proud of being South African, Errol says "yes, of course"... when asked why he doesn't talk about this pride, Errol says Elon is "on the A team, so you only put out everything that's positive, you know what I mean?"
Tosca Musk wears an "Africa necklace" (?) and buys her kids clothes in South Africa, and Kimball would like to have a bush farm here, Errol says. "They are very happy with their background."
fascinating extended jag about how you don't tell Americans you're from South Africa if you're white, citing a whole bunch of odd reasons while dancing around the obvious one: because everyone assumes you're a flaming racist.
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