Athena PoliasNov 27, 2024
Brent Toderian
Denver gave people experiencing homelessness $1k/month. A year later, nearly half had housing. They also had fewer ER visits, nights spent in a hospital, and jail stays. The report estimates that this reduction in public service use SAVED the city $589k. www.businessinsider.com/denver-basic...

Denver gave people experiencin...
Denver basic income reduces homelessness, food insecurity

Participants in Denver's basic-income program reported having more-secure housing, though results were similar in the trial and control groups.

Business Insider
Nov 26, 2024 at 12:47amWeb
Show threadBrent ToderianNov 26, 2024
UPDATE: “The disconnect between the reporting on the study and its actual findings is problematic and adds significant confusion to the current debate between Mayor Mike Johnston and some Denver City Council members about whether to continue funding.” www.westword.com/news/opinion...

Learning the Right Lessons Fro...
Learning the Right Lessons From the Denver Basic Income Project

"At the ten-month follow-up, there were no statistically significant differences between the three groups in their housing status."

Westword
Show threadBrent ToderianNov 26, 2024
Posted this 2nd article since the 1st is behind a paywall. I reposted an earlier post with the 1st article (which I had originally posted after reading & summarizing that article) but wasn’t aware that it had been updated because of the paywall. Sorry for the confusion. Will try to get more info.
Show threadBrent ToderianNov 26, 2024
This illustrates a social media “norm” question that I’ve long been unsure or conflicted about. It hasn’t come up often for me, but once or twice. My 1st instinct when discovering a methodology or factual problem like this is to delete my original post in order to keep confusion from spreading. 1/
Show threadBrent ToderianNov 26, 2024
2/ But I’ve been told in the past not to do that as it’s “poor social media etiquette,” especially when many have already replied & quote-posted (those would then be “connected to nothing”). I’ve been told it’s better to clarify the situation so people can follow the details themselves. Thoughts?
Show threadBrent ToderianNov 26, 2024
UPDATE TO THE UPDATE: This thread is worth reading, from @scottsantens.com, on the Denver basic income and homelessness study, and the nuanced importance of its conclusions. bsky.app/profile/scot...

RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:weypikbrwodr2fsanloqjx6s/post/3lbudhex36k2u
Scott Santens (@scottsantens.com)

Unconditional / Universal Basic Income (UBI) knowledge resource Founder & CEO of UBI-focused nonprofit ITSAfoundation.org Host of The Basic Income Show youtube.com/scottsantens My #UBI FAQ: scottsantens.com Contact me: linktr.ee/scottsantens

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Show threadBrent ToderianDec 10, 2024
THIS THREAD, with more on UBI (universal basic income) for more context via @scottsantens.com: bsky.app/profile/scot...

RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:weypikbrwodr2fsanloqjx6s/post/3lckzcleo7s24
Scott Santens (@scottsantens.com)

Unconditional / Universal Basic Income (UBI) knowledge resource Founder & CEO of UBI-focused nonprofit ITSAfoundation.org Host of The Basic Income Show youtube.com/scottsantens My #UBI FAQ: scottsantens.com Contact me: linktr.ee/scottsantens

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Show threaddoc brianSDec 7, 2024
Kudos for honestly trying to work through in real time how to share this stuff coherently and honestly. And thanks for the reskeet of the Santens thread.
Show threadCalisti 🏳️‍🌈🦇 — 🪩✨ 39c3Nov 27, 2024

@brenttoderian.bsky.social Funny enough, the first article’s paywall is visual only. You can select the full article text and paste it somewhere to read it in its entirety.

(Or adjust the article in the browser’s devtools.)

Show threadBadger AF (he/him) DEMOCRACYNov 27, 2024

@brenttoderian.bsky.social Here's the paywall version: https://archive.ph/KuQFF

Note: You can type any story URL into archive.ph and access it.

Show threadEric EvansNov 26, 2024
@brenttoderian.bsky.social I'm confused (probably because I was unable to read the first paywalled article). If there was no statistically significant difference in homelessness after the trial, where did the savings come from?
Show threadNick TrussellNov 26, 2024

@jericevans
The second (non paywalled) article is not very helpful or clear other than it does have a link to the actual report.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/64f507a995b636019ef8853a/t/6671a15eec7a812dee108e7c/1718722914185/FINAL_DBIP+Year+One+Quantitative+Research+Report.pdf

3 groups were given varying amounts of money. All groups saw significant gains in shelter security (no statistically significant difference between $50/mo or $1k)

The cost savings came from reduced visits hospitals, jails and shelters.

@brenttoderian.bsky.social

Show threadMattNov 26, 2024
How many times do we need to do this study before making it happen?
Show threadmeganNov 26, 2024
@brenttoderian.bsky.social @mattferrel.bsky.social It's never been about proof. It's about maintaining a concentration of power.
Show threadCode of Amor 💘Nov 26, 2024
@brenttoderian.bsky.social @eniko WHAT? You're saying that there is a better way than capitalism? Say it ain't so! 😤
Show threadzipNov 26, 2024
@brenttoderian.bsky.social "but if we don't terrify people that they might die of hunger and exposure, how will we force them to work in unsafe conditions which destroy their emotional and physical health for nearly enough money to survive on?"
Show threadspidey Nov 26, 2024
@brenttoderian.bsky.social Thanks for sharing, this article was a really interesting read and I think it demonstrates that reducing poverty is still a multi-faceted issue and basic income helps tremendously but is only able to go so far, and other policies must be put in place alongside basic income.
Show threadCanadian CroneNov 26, 2024
@brenttoderian.bsky.social #PMJT what are we waiting for? It’s time for #UBI #EnoughIsEnough with homelessness. In a country like Canada, there should be no homelessness. It’s a shame and a blight on all of us.
Show threadAsbestosNov 27, 2024

@brenttoderian.bsky.social

@originlbookgirl
But "woke"

Show threadCalisti 🏳️‍🌈🦇 — 🪩✨ 39c3Nov 27, 2024
@brenttoderian.bsky.social @publixpace Could you please update the original post? It’s still making rounds and people are not seeing the update, which actually says the opposite of the initial headline and teaser.
Show threadGatekeeper..Nov 28, 2024
@brenttoderian.bsky.social
This works in every city it's been tested in. Hell, they should do it for eveybody.
Show thread4bzNov 28, 2024
@brenttoderian.bsky.social man.... It's almost like every single experiment with UBI has positive outcomes yet we still won't implement it
Show threadDareNov 28, 2024

@brenttoderian.bsky.social I had a horrible epiphany just today reading a random USian sci-fi novel (not one with particularly crarzy right-wing values).

There is an actual strong undercurrent of thought that sees getting anything "unearned" as honestly robbing the recipients of their basic freedom and dignity. Interfering this way is seen as Evil - basically same as breaking the Prime Directive.

Being from (fomerly?) social democratic Finland I'd never really grasped this before.

Show threadAJNov 28, 2024
@brenttoderian.bsky.social Colorado genuinely seems like a pretty cool state, I look forward to visiting it soon!