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https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2024/03/middle-aged-americans-lonelier

craignicol Nov 24, 2024

@mekkaokereke I wonder if that's a result of Black men traditionally having many more female role models than White men? So strength and success are not seen as purely male attributes? There's plenty of white women who were written out of history in favour of their husbands or colleagues.

I think it has more to do with the puritanical influence on US culture.

The toxicity is not a white thing, so much as a white American thing.

For example, men in Sweden or Finland are as involved in childcare as Black men in the US are. Men in Europe are much more likely to wear pink, eat gelato in public (gasp!), hug their friends, etc. as a result, European men are much less lonely than American men.

So Black men are unique in this regard *In America*.

craignicol Nov 24, 2024

@mekkaokereke there's definitely a stronger gender balance in Scandinavia and it's spread to some places in Europe, but certainly not places like Italy, which has a dramatically low birth rate partially because women just won't (see also the 4b appropriation in USA, but Italy's objection is more individual than organised)

craignicol Nov 24, 2024

@mekkaokereke you can see just how low Italy's birth rate is here. Like Japan, the birth rate is well below the replacement level, so the population is shrinking leaving a shrinking younger population to look after a growing older population. I can see this happening in the USA too, but that's going to put a lot more pressure on an already fragile white male population, which is not going to help the numbers in the graphs you presented.

I have zero sympathy for any country lamenting "population decline." Population decline is not a real thing.

"Replacement rate" is not a real thing either.

Every country on earth with a shrinking population, could solve all of their population shaping problems with immigration.

There is no shortage of people that want to be citizens of your country. There's only racism and xenophobia.

canusfeminacanis Nov 26, 2024

@mekkaokereke @craignicol
Largely, I agree with you.

To ignore individual difficulties in learning a new culture and/or language, starting over, however, is a bit naive. Not all migrants make the cognitive shift.] Result: culture clash. Immigration should always be on a case-by-case basis.

"Culture clash" is usually just another way of saying "incumbents being racist and xenophobic."

canusfeminacanis Nov 26, 2024

@mekkaokereke @craignicol

Perhaps too frequently, but not universally. Generalizations aren't really helpful when discussing the subject, btw.

Thought: there are 'white' people who don't transplant into other 'white' cultures.

Generalisations are very useful. Especially when talking about this topic. And I said, "usually," not "universally."

"Sure, a few people from country X is good, but too many will lead to a culture clash!" Is something that racists and xenophobes say. Very often.

But if you want to get specific, I'm happy to hear examples of "culture clash" that aren't just racism and xenophobia, usually by the incumbents, but sometimes by the migrants.

canusfeminacanis Nov 26, 2024

@mekkaokereke @craignicol
Some Brits come here, and can't adapt to a different culture. Some Americans, too, They move back home when they can.

I came here as a migrant. Any challenges I face are for me to deal with. I can't control what other people do, or how other people think. Only me.

No. That's a massive goalpost move.

"I tried this country and didn't like it so I'm going back home!" Is fine. That's something normal people say. 👍🏿

"We need to limit immigration, because you might have 'culture clash'!" is something racists and xenophobes say. 🙅🏿‍♂️

canusfeminacanis

@mekkaokereke @craignicol
Well, you think it's normal. I think it's normal. You'd be gobsmacked to find out how often the discontented don't, regardless of race. :o

Like I said, immigration needs to be on a case-by-case basis. Generalizations don't make good immigration policy.