Bluesky CEO Jay Graber says X rival is ‘billionaire proof’ https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/21/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-says-x-rival-is-billionaire-proof.html
Bluesky CEO Jay Graber says X rival is ‘billionaire proof’ https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/21/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-says-x-rival-is-billionaire-proof.html
Let's dissect this...
"“The billionaire proof is in the way everything is designed, and so if someone bought or if the Bluesky company went down, everything is open source,” Graber said."
Well, no. Open source tools can still be bring down and we've seen examples of that, where even "open source companies" have been bought and shut down.
"“We’re building an open-source social network that anyone can take into their own hands and build on, and it’s something that is radically different from anything that’s been done in social media before. Nobody’s been this open, this transparent and put this much control in the users hands.”"
Well, once again, no. ActivityPub and the Fediverse really did this in terms of the users with no companies dictating the terms. What Bluesky is doing is not "radically different" or "put this much control in the users hands". We still can't 100% host our own instances on Bluesky and 90% of the user base is on Bluesky's servers. It did not start with users, it started with the company. Huge difference.
AFAIK you'll never be able to host your own instances on BS, BS federation happens through relays rather than server-to-server.
And the relays are expensive so they're designed to be owned by corporations, but without any clear business reason to run one except to inject ads or manipulate the content.
@FediThing Yeah, I know the broad outline of the tech of Bluesky, but I'd like the idea I could also own the relay. It also bugs me that hosting things is not very cost-effective or built from the user's point of view like in the Fediverse. The biggest culprit for me is that all of this can be taken down as long as people don't host enough. There is a certain safety in numbers when it comes to self-hosting and Mastodon has that.
The article "Hosting Bluesky with Coolify" by @zicklepop is excellent in this regard.
Also structure of the company is suspicious, all the Bluesky developers are paid in equity so they are in line for a lottery win each if the company gets bought out. That is bound to affect their work when considering whether a feature favours a buyout or not.
@rolle @FediThing @zicklepop Excellent article, thanks for pointing this out! I am reposting the link for easy access:
https://melkat.blog/p/hosting-bsky
"most Bluesky apps and integrations do not support self-hosted accounts" -> Is this because of bad docs, because it's too complex, or because app devs don't believe in the concept?
"reliance on the venture-capital-backed front-end to Amazon’s Simple Email Service, Resend" -> This really worried me, but as far as I can see it could be any SMTP service?
I recently spun up my own Bluesky PDS server on Coolify. It's fairly easy compared to all the documentation Bluesky put out. It's also a lot less than you would have ever imagined. Before digging into what I did, I want to say thanks to Brandon at krrd.ing, Rafael Eyng's blog, and this GitHub repo I found for all of their work clarifying what Bluesky could not.
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@rolle
> Yeah, I know the broad outline of the tech of Bluesky, but I'd like the idea I could also own the relay.
The fediverse and Nostr both have relays that you can own (in the sense of self-hosting them). There's a lot that fediverse devs could learn from how they're used in Nostr, where they're fundamental to the network.
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> The biggest culprit for me is that all of this can be taken down as long as people don't host enough.
Or even if they do. Even if you self-host, or community-host, you need BS's permission to publish to their relay, where all the people are. The potential for permissionless connections between people using different services is fundamental to being decentralised. BS is not decentralised, and their self-descriptions are full of decent-washing.