Ariadne Conill 🐰
we don't need any more secure messaging tools, and we especially don't need insecure messaging tools that masquerade as secure ones (hi Matrix!)
what we need is a decentralized replacement for *insecure* chat.
the reality is that organizers should be using signal. it's a solved problem, and signal solves it in a way that is really difficult for the average person to hurt themselves.
but Discord, Inc. is a much larger threat to free speech for the everyday user. those everyday users need 1 to many broadcast messaging, and they don't particularly *care* about end-to-end encryption.
*should* they care? maybe. it depends on context. if they *should* care, then the answer is that the conversation needs to move to signal.
if they don't need to care, then they go where their community is already. and, increasingly, we have lost the war on community sovereignty to Discord, Inc.
Erin 💽✨@ariadne right.
Matrix and Signal and OMemo and... spend lots of energy on making E2E work for large group chats. It makes things much more complicated and much less reliable
And the reality is that for n>5 or so E2E brings little security benefit because the probability of endpoint compromise just goes up
Matrix and Signal and OMemo and... spend lots of energy on making E2E work for large group chats. It makes things much more complicated and much less reliable
And the reality is that for n>5 or so E2E brings little security benefit because the probability of endpoint compromise just goes up
Kevin Riggle@erincandescent @ariadne or “somebody takes screenshots and drops them publicly”
js@ariadne Well if you want a Discord replacement, that sounds exactly like Matrix? I mean, the UI looks like Discord and everything.
@js claiming Matrix is a discord replacement shows that you don't understand discord at all 🙃
aburka 🫣@ariadne well, I wouldn't mind there being a signal competitor waiting in the wings for when signal gets bought by private equity or shut down by a Trump court
Rajnhildo Ursidino 
@ariadne part of me wants to say IRC but the systems we have are about the opposite of optimised for using IRC as that insecure broadcast chat thing, and IRC itself is centralized #krokodili