PSA: You're not allowed to mock people for asking a question instead of using Google now. Maybe they want a quick and correct answer, you know?

It was always snotty and crummy to be like "why don't you just google it????"

Like i dunno because we're a social species and need to reach out and interact sometimes. Sometimes you want to ask a person

I'm fully aware i can look up nearly everything i ask you people and half of it, it's cause i didn't bother and chose to poke your brains. No apologies. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

(I think we can all agree this is the proper place for recommendation questions, though)

@heatherhorns_lite I still get people googling things *for* me when I ask questions here and it's infuriating lol
@FrazzledBrynn oh my god that's so frustrating and infantilizing

@heatherhorns_lite they make me feel slightly violent

Especially when they default to recommending me American only products and services 

@FrazzledBrynn @heatherhorns_lite if they were experts searching for it I'd take it as they might know some good keywords to search for, OTOH most people are bad at searching and they will be the ones doing thus.

@heatherhorns_lite I've posted questions on other social media and gotten a lot of positive emojis and no advice. Thanks for nothing, assholes.

I see people complain about the culture on here and it's exactly the things I came here for, with every other social media platform run by fascists and dominated by toxic positivity and every platform for practical problem solving overrun with "generative AI".

@heatherhorns_lite I agree 100%!

I will, however, add a caveat that sometimes, it's clear to me that the person asking the question doesn't truly want a real answer. In those cases, I definitely reply with lmGtfy and then go silent. 😆

@heatherhorns_lite my favorite is when you google a question and it leads you to a forum thread where some asshole is like "ummmm just google it???"

yeah i, i did. that's how i got here

@pataphysicker oh my god i want to throw those people

@pataphysicker i do like when there's posts made years later with people like "i was just googling this cause i don't know either :("

A show of solidarity to the other lost souls

@heatherhorns_lite @pataphysicker One time I got so annoyed with that scenario that I registered on the forum just to post the actual answer when I finally found it. That was over a decade ago and I still get "THANK YOU!!!" replies to this day
@Nentuaby @heatherhorns_lite @pataphysicker @abby There's been a few times I've found/worked out an answer to something, and I'm posted it somewhere just so I can find it the next time I hit that issue!

@heatherhorns_lite @pataphysicker And then there's "I solved it!" with no further explanation...

https://xkcd.com/979/

Wisdom of the Ancients

xkcd
@marco_m_aus_f @heatherhorns_lite @pataphysicker The...I dunno what it's called...the extra message when you right-click on the comic -- it's golden. 😄
@pataphysicker @heatherhorns_lite At least there's few times where you end up on your own answer/patch from some years ago, which is nice.

Although sometimes you land back on your still opened ticket/question.

@heatherhorns_lite and the people willing to answer your question are likely to enjoy answering it.

And with Google's algorithm, the context is likely some rambling paragraphs long story that starts with their childhood on an orchard. Instead of, "it was able to take down an entire data centre because someone didn't stop and think".

@Aurani everything on the internet evolves to be a recipe web page, getting longer and longer before just coughing up the goods. @heatherhorns_lite

@heatherhorns_lite The worst thing is to answer a question that obviously asks for personal experience with a google search link or - worse - to that horrible "let me google this for you" service.

If I wanted Google results, I'd have obtained them myself.

@heatherhorns_lite I mean, it’s not even about being social

at this point I am fully convinced that asking the oomfies on fedi gives me much better answers than google, simply due to how shit google has become, I’ve spent hours searching for things before that I found more info about after asking here

@heatherhorns_lite 🦊 it's always been funny because it's like, actually I tried googling it and couldn't find an answer, or yea, maybe I just want to talk about it more than anything
@heatherhorns_lite definitely guilty of this until about a decade ago. i repent!
@heatherhorns_lite To me, asking people is like a filter.
Google will give me an assortment of answers mostly filtering for links.
A person has unique perspectives, preferences and a chance to know things I wouldn't be able to look up on my own.
Granted, not *every* person's input is gonna be better than judging the search results on my own, but at least each person can provide a reason for it and the good answers will be from people who actually know the topic and not just a graph algorithm.
@flesh @heatherhorns_lite I wanted to know the weather in Prague in November 1935 for a story and asked in a chatroom full of historians. One of whom actually had the resources and sent me a PDF! Probably couldn't have found that by myself.
@heatherhorns_lite "why don't you just take a multivitamin instead of eating nutritious food???"
@heatherhorns_lite It was mildly obnoxious when google actually provided useful results. These days it's either said ironically, or demonstrates the ignorance of whoever says it. Google is *not* a reliable search engine anymore.
@heatherhorns_lite we should normalize never googling anything unless it’s a question a human asked you!

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Related: When I _have_ googled it and not found a satisfactory answer (or one that I understand) and so I post a question...

Also related: when I post saying I'm looking for people who share a particular interest me, and it disappears under an avalanche of people telling me to follow hashtags and search for keywords. Like, yes, I've done that and now I'm doing the very human thing of just asking.

@heatherhorns_lite that plus web results are often heavily skewed to listicles that tell you nothing new, and also asking a person, they can give you a nuanced opinion on something
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Honestly I do it because I wanna bond over the question and court discussion.
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Only occasionally do I ask because Google shrugs.
@heatherhorns_lite never were. Google has been fucked since 2003, not 2023.
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I always reply to google it with "i don't know what that is". 100% success rate at getting them out of my notifications
@heatherhorns_lite ironically I feel like *now* is actually the only correct time to be able to say 'google it'. Like, if your query is in the top 5 results of *modern Google* then it really must be a basic AF question, cos nothing else makes the front page...

@heatherhorns_lite What is most infuriating is when you google the answer, find a support thread, and the only answer is "why didn't you use the search feature?"

Harassing people for not doing a search only risks populating the search with the harassment and not the information requested. Best people neglect to answer before reaching out with elitism and anger for someone asking a genuine question.

Besides, on occasion it is good to have someone with which you can converse through a problem. It is hard to ask a locked thread or an article a clarifying question.

@heatherhorns_lite Google will spew out a mix of "sponsored results" and AI gibberiah on top, and we cannot rule out poltiical manipulation of search results either.
Google Search’s “udm=14” trick lets you kill AI search for good

The power of URL parameters lets you unofficially turn off Google's AI Overview.

Ars Technica
@quokka1 @heatherhorns_lite Ironically, the one time I've used the Let Me Google That For You site was when someone asked me to find them a browser extention to add udm14 to their search engine drop-down list. I'm like, dude, how do you think I found one for mine?

@quokka1 @heatherhorns_lite

Thanks!

Anyone want to start a not-for-profit along the lines of Wikipedia, but for web search instead?

@heatherhorns_lite We're told we have to *check* Google's answers now, so if someone asks a question, assume they're just "checking".
@heatherhorns_lite to be fair, I've been making this argument for almost 10 years now. It has been too easy for too long for people to salt Google search results so that at least intermittently you got the worst answer. And that there was value in using social networks of people you know who are involved in the subject as filters
@heatherhorns_lite Although googling a question and finding your own answer you shared somewhere is always a win.
@heatherhorns_lite what if I'm really really sure they're being a disingenuous nazi tho
@heatherhorns_lite (not apropos of nothing--this came up like an hour ago)

@skysailor um, i don't think they're cool to talk to in general then

not sure i follow or if this is rhetorical, sorry

@heatherhorns_lite yeah fair not engaging with such folks at all is generally good advice.
@heatherhorns_lite Anyway sorry for stranger-@'ing you out of the blue. It was just something on my mind given the very-recent context. Appreciate the response.
@heatherhorns_lite ...on second thought, my own advice tends to be "act like they're being genuine--sometimes they actually are, in which case you've been polite to a genuine person; and if they're being disingenuous, you've accomplished the greatest depths of snark possible."

@heatherhorns_lite "Just use Google" has always been a rude answer in my opinion, because it's loaded with the implication of "I don't care enough about your involvement on this subject to help you understand". And the old trend of posting a Let Me Google That For You link was just extra shitty assholery.

IDEALLY this should be the nail in the coffin of that, but....