mekka okereke Nov 9, 2024

Part of my joy comes from blocking angry dudes that feel entitled to engagement. Highly recommend it! 👍🏿

I don't have to talk with everybody. There are so many people that are genuinely curious and open minded, that I just don't have to deal with these dudes.

There's an effectively infinite supply of "dudes on the internet." There is absolutely no shortage. The marginal cost of blocking one, is close to zero.

"Well, what about the marketplace of ideas huh? Not very inclusive of you!"

OK! 🤣

Show threadmekka okereke Nov 9, 2024

Paradox of tolerance and all that.

I don't see it as a paradox at all. You cannot include all ideas, because one of the loudest ideas, is "We should silence the ideas of Black people!" 🙂🙃

You cannot include this idea without excluding other ideas. So absolute inclusion shouldn't even be anyone's goal. It's certainly not mine.

And dealing with annoying people online can be exhausting. Even if they're not malicious! Me doing "racism 101" individually for millions of people, just doesn't work.

Show threadrakooNov 9, 2024
@mekkaokereke

I once saw someone express it best: the idea of it being a paradox is bollocks based on ideas from people who have no idea how humans work. Tolerance is not a moral virtue, it's a contract. A can promise to be tolerant towards B. If B doesn't promise to be tolerant towards A, for example by being fascist, they won't sign a contract with A; if they won't sign a contrat, A also won't, so A doesn't need to be tolerant towards B.

You don't want to be tolerant to me, I won't be tolerant to you

You said you were tolerant to me, you enter the contract. If you break the contract, I'm allowed to be intolerant to you.

There's no paradox, only mutual accord.
Show threadRaymond RussellNov 9, 2024
@rakoo @mekkaokereke
Absolutely.
Heard it described as a peace treaty. If any party violates it then they are no longer under the protection of it.
Show threadRead along with MattNov 9, 2024

@raymierussell @rakoo @mekkaokereke

I also quite like the contract/treaty angle (and it was super helpful to me years back), but I also feel like tolerance just isn't the best word. "Ignoring/allowing/enabling bigotry" is a fundamentally different (and opposite!) behavior from "trying to build and maintain a safe community." Yet both are "tolerance"?

wtf

Like, is "tolerance" even a thing? Intolerance sure is! And so is objecting to that intolerance. But tolerance?

Show threadDouglas KilpatrickNov 10, 2024

@matt @raymierussell @rakoo @mekkaokereke My personal favorite framing of this was “Tolerance is a peace treaty”… which suggested the opposite of tolerance wasn’t incivility. It was “The Troubles” as in Ireland.

https://medium.com/extra-extra/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376

(Originally seen via thread on G+, so .. y’know, old)

Tolerance is not a moral precept

The title of this essay should disturb you. We have been brought up to believe that tolerating other people is one of the things you do if…

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Show threadNire Bryce

@kilpatds

sorry for showing up out of nowhere with this, but have you all seen https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-future-of-our-former-democracy/id1767428498 ?

podcast looking at the troubles and beyond in northern Ireland and learning from it to apply to the present and not make similar mistakes

@matt @raymierussell @rakoo @mekkaokereke

The Future of Our Former Democracy 

History Podcast · 8 Episodes · Weekly Series

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