TechAltarNov 7, 2024

As expected, Trump's "peace plan" for Ukraine is to just force them to give up and let Moscow have everything they wanted. Literally rewarding the aggressor for their aggression.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/11/07/wsj-reports-that-trump-is-reviewing-ukraine-peace-plan-options-that-cede-all-occupied-territory-to-moscow-suspend-nato-expansion-and-create-dmz

WSJ reports that Trump is reviewing Ukraine peace plan options that cede all occupied territory to Moscow, suspend NATO expansion, and create DMZ — Meduza

The Wall Street Journal reports that Donald Trump is now inundated with competing proposals from advisers to implement his campaign promise to end the war in Ukraine by Inauguration Day. 

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Show threadSam IzbyNov 7, 2024
@Techaltar
The war must be over, and no one who speaks out against the war can advocate its continuation. Everyone will be happy if this war will end tomorrow.
Show threadJonas DaehnertNov 7, 2024
@izby @Techaltar Russia could simply stop its war of aggression, which violates international law. War over. Stylizing NATO as the enemy only served to hide its fascist imperialism. There was and is no rational reason to destroy Ukraine. Probably just Putin's inferiority complex.
Show threadSam Izby
@phonedesigner
And how many years would you like this to continue? 5? 10? I have not met pacifists who would like this nightmare to end tomorrow.
Nov 7, 2024 at 1:14pmWeb
Show threadJonas DaehnertNov 7, 2024
@izby It's about how long Putin wants the war to last. I can neither dictate nor blame the Ukrainians for how long they fight for their lives. That is their decision alone.
Show threadSam IzbyNov 7, 2024
@phonedesigner
But that's what you actually do. If the fate of the world depended only on your decision, which would you choose: stop or continue? Think about this.
Show threadJonas DaehnertNov 7, 2024
@izby Moralizing is hidden cynicism. Think about this.
Show threadSam IzbyNov 7, 2024
@phonedesigner
Pacifism is a cynical way of self-promotion.
Show threadJonas DaehnertNov 7, 2024
@izby Ok. 🤷‍♂️
Show threadZ̈oéNov 7, 2024
@izby @phonedesigner I can understand you‘d prefer ukraine to stop existing but that doesn’t make you a pacifist
Show threadSam IzbyNov 8, 2024

@uint8_t
Nope, but as I can see, you would like the war to never end. And I want this war to just end right now. We are not the same, right?

The same question for you. If you could stop this right now, without conditions, would you? People die every day, but you sit in a warm house and insist that they must continue. I can't believe that someone is not able to understand such basic things.

Show threadZ̈oéNov 8, 2024
@izby this imperialist war of russia could end any day. supreme leader putin could just recall the remaining troops from ukraine. as long as there’s resistance against the aggressor I wish they get all support they need.
Show threadSam IzbyNov 8, 2024
@uint8_t
I repeat the question: if you could decide whether this would continue or end right now, which would you choose?
Show threadZ̈oéNov 8, 2024
@izby go troll elsewhere
Show threadSam IzbyNov 8, 2024

UDP: She just deleted the discussion.

We live in this hell, they watch this on TV. That's the difference. If even pacifists from civilized Western countries don't want it to stop, why do you think one day he would?