Can I ask what they were progandising about?

expect vague answers or examples of individual clueless tankies used to justify the bans of entire instances at best.

defederating from tankies is popular on the lemmyverse and they’re making the decision of whom you can & can’t talk to on your behalf; whether or not you asked them for it.

if you care about your agency on this social media platform; try switching or joining another instance that treats you like an adult who can make your own decisions.

This is a bad take. Server admins have the final say on who they federate with. I prefer to be on an instance that bans tankies and other poorly moderated instances. Heck, I support defederating with lemmy.ml because it’s users seem to be confused about what freedom is.

no one’s arguing that they can’t make up their own rules.

also let people on other instances believe whatever they want; it has no bearing on you and you can block them and entire instances for yourself if you need to.

i don’t want power tripping mods/admins or suppressive policies to make that decision for me; that’s why so many people and I left reddit; i’m an adult who can make up my own mind and the lemmyverse already has the tools to empower me to do so.

this isn’t reddit or a walled garden; in the fediverse it’s the vegetables section of a community garden that was designed to maximize cross pollination and defederation episodes like this are like trying to install a permeable gate that don’t stop that cross pollination.

The concept of defederation is literally the single most important core feature differentiating the Fediverse from centralized social media. I find it interesting that you feel employing it to be antithetical to the concept of federated networks.

Yes it was and its misapplication in targeting the same group repeatedly is laying bare its flaws and that’s why it doesn’t work

Hexbear is still online and available to anyone who wants to read the content so I’m confused as to what point you’re trying to make. If someone doesn’t want to read Hexbear we can’t force them.

defederation is creating bubbles with communities that have little to no activity & content and that’s going to drive away more people than any tankie ever could.

Working as designed.

you want people to leave the lemmyverse?

I want problem communities to be isolated from the larger population

defederation doesn’t do this. it was mean to; but it doesn’t work as it was intended.

doing so only excludes your community from the main group chat that everyone else can see, which empowers them over you in addition to creating those inactive/no-content subs for your community.

so nothing about this situation is working as designed.

and to answer your other glib comment: star trek matters to me so i don’t want to see this instance wither away from lack of content. that’s why i’m trying despite the toxic attempts to shoot the messenger.

Don’t be on a problem instance

In another 10 to 15 years there’ll be yet another user schism when LemmyTM gets legal control over openLemmy and the commercially induced enshittificattion creates yet another user base diaspora onto yet another tankie invented social network safe space and; just like our gayborhoods; the user base gentrification will price use out and we’ll both likely join the ranks of that diaspora.

I think obstinacy is going to remain in season until the election and witnessing it all happen all over again is tiring and I now I think I understand how liberals feel about tankies not voting for Kamala no matter how much you try to warn them and now it stings because we’re trekies; we’re better than this!!!

You can’t beat the beat the tankies. Every single time kick you kick them out of the club; that they created; it turns into shit and your willful ignorance makes everyone do this userbase migration all over again. That’s goes for both the lemmyverse and the election!

Okay.