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daniel:// stenberg://I looked at the first ten minutes of the GitHub Universe intro yday and the frequency of AI getting mentioned exhausted my ears immediately and I had to shut down the stream and go do something useful. For health reasons.
Heath Stewart@bagder if you were to ask AI to summarize all the marketing hype of AI later, would that make it self-aware?
Andreas Scherbaum
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@bagder why do you still host your code on microsoft github then? 
@banaanihillo easy: because it is the best available option for us.
@bagder ah, well, i guess we have fundamentally different meanings for the word best then 
@banaanihillo best for our case:
1. reach - almost everyone has a GitHub account and know how to work with it
2. CI performance. We do almost 200 CI jobs per commit. No other hosting sponsors us with that.
3. support. I get excellent support and have good communication with GitHub for whenever that is needed
@bagder all very valid points, but with some counterarguments too,
1. reach could be even better if you had, say, a self hosted git forge and a codeberg mirror too, and encouraged email patches too, instead of being locked into one proprietary unethical provider - i mean, if *almost* everyone has a microsoft github account, surely **everyone** has an email account, right?
2. forgejo actions seem a pretty valid alternative to that these days, but unfortunately i don't know enough of the details to suggest if it would be considered *better*, *equal*, what have you - if it's about money, yes, completely understandable! if it's about performance, the point could be moot?
3. double edged sword, i guess. you get the corporate support, sure, but imagine the community support you'd be getting instead, if you were committed to fighting the corporate status quo instead
1. reach could be even better if you had, say, a self hosted git forge and a codeberg mirror too, and encouraged email patches too, instead of being locked into one proprietary unethical provider - i mean, if *almost* everyone has a microsoft github account, surely **everyone** has an email account, right?
2. forgejo actions seem a pretty valid alternative to that these days, but unfortunately i don't know enough of the details to suggest if it would be considered *better*, *equal*, what have you - if it's about money, yes, completely understandable! if it's about performance, the point could be moot?
3. double edged sword, i guess. you get the corporate support, sure, but imagine the community support you'd be getting instead, if you were committed to fighting the corporate status quo instead
@banaanihillo it seems you don't know the kids of today: they don't want to use email. Doing "email too" at the same level as over git forge is a high price to pay for the three users who prefer that. Plus self-hosting is a huge cost/timesink.
The CI performance is not a small thing. The sponsored jobs we run are worth thousands of USD/month.
@bagder yeah no don't get me wrong, i don't like email patches either, but i would still prefer it over the alternative of having to use microsoft's github ecosystem exclusively 
thank you for the discussion anyway, i really liked hearing your thoughts!
@banaanihillo we still have occasional patches provided over email and we take care of them as well. Like one every other month or so.
Yasir Sharif@bagder @banaanihillo GutLab is there
@yasirsharif @banaanihillo no it isn't. It would be a major blow for us to switch to GitLab for the reasons I laid out in the thread already
Lloyd@banaanihillo @bagder "If you don't like AI, why do you use GitHub?".
They say there are no dumb questions, but spending five minutes on the internet disproves that.
@lloydjatkinson it was an ideologically loaded question on purpose, and it prompted pretty much the exact response i was looking for 
YeekasooseJust one more data center, bro! This time we'll get it to work! Trust me, bro!
highvoltage@bagder It's not just you.
ferricoxide@bagder
It really feels like so many of these companies have hopped on the hype-train and have so much FOMO about cashing in on "AI" that they have less than no interest in actually listening to their customers and users' disinterest in "AI". B-school truly is brain-rotting.
It really feels like so many of these companies have hopped on the hype-train and have so much FOMO about cashing in on "AI" that they have less than no interest in actually listening to their customers and users' disinterest in "AI". B-school truly is brain-rotting.
Glenn@bagder This reminds me of the point when we reached peak Web3, when everybody realizes it was just a tech bro/venture capitalist scam. We might reach peak AI after next year's first quarter corporate reports.
KSP Atlas@bagder llms: we made auto complete a little better and marketed it like a panacea, also we used it as an excuse to fire workers
RejZoR@bagder I'm immediately turned off by any product that hypes stupid Ai. Partially because I know there is no actual Ai involved and partially because all this Ai fluff being excessively mentioned is annoying.
Ben Zanin@bagder there is a little bit of actual good stuff being announced too, but it's all being pushed to the margins.
(Best moment, in the Community Maintainers track: "...and now there is AI in pull requests." (dead silence) (from the back: "yeah we noticed.") *presenter grimaces*)