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The RAM drought is over!

@dschaub @atpfm @siracusa How much RAM would we have right now if that slope was straight?
@carozas @dschaub @atpfm @siracusa 800gb using my finger to measure
DavidSchaub (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] @carozas I roughy answered that in this post: https://mstdn.social/@dschaub/111813544514647792 ... around a TB of memory, which is obviously not needed. It isn't that the slope needs to continue at that rate, it is just that it can't stay flat forever.

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@dschaub @siracusa If the average slope from 1984 to 2012 had continued, what amount of RAM would the iMac have in 2024?

@nwd @siracusa
@carozas

I roughy answered that in this post:

https://mstdn.social/@dschaub/111813544514647792

... around a TB of memory, which is obviously not needed.

It isn't that the slope needs to continue at that rate, it is just that it can't stay flat forever.

DavidSchaub (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Around the max RAM capacity of John's Mac: about 1TB of RAM. In no way am I saying that Apple should have maintained that curve... but if Apple had bumped the base RAM up to 16 GB by now, I wouldn't have bothered posting anything. :)

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@dschaub @atpfm @siracusa now plot that against price per mb (bonus if its inflation adjusted)?

@onyxraven

That's really hard.

At any time there is a huge range consumers can pay for RAM, due to type, functionality, density, speed, latency, etc...

We have no idea what kind of deals Apple gets for its RAM.

The chips are fairly standard, but DDR5X hasn't been really consumer RAM either.

The error bars might be wider than the chart.

@dschaub i mean... median for the time period would at least be sufficient? it was mostly a joke, but now I'm actually curious
@dschaub and/or the upgrade price per mb of ram (for the top end available?). I guess what i'm getting at is the prices charged for ram by apple are high.
@dschaub @atpfm @siracusa my concern is that 8GB will be semi-permanently reserved by Apple Intelligence ๐Ÿ˜’

@joethephish @atpfm @siracusa

Given that most Apple Intelligence features are supposed to work (if not well) on 8GB Mac models, I think we can trust that that isn't the case?

@dschaub @atpfm @siracusa good point! I guess weโ€™ll find out soon๐Ÿคž
@dschaub @atpfm @siracusa Is a drought over if it rains once and then not again for another decade?

@eugenekim @atpfm @siracusa

Welcome to the new normal.

I'm sure in the 2030s we'll be complaining about 16GB not being enough, but that's next decade's problem.

@dschaub @atpfm @siracusa Please make the y-axis powers of 2 not 10, or provide the raw data for I can make a plot with powers of 2 on the y-axis.
@dschaub @atpfm @siracusa So what would the RAM be now if that line had continued at the same slope? 16TB?
DavidSchaub (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Around the max RAM capacity of John's Mac: about 1TB of RAM. In no way am I saying that Apple should have maintained that curve... but if Apple had bumped the base RAM up to 16 GB by now, I wouldn't have bothered posting anything. :)

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@dschaub love it! If I may share one nitpick: I think this chart would be even better if the lines continued horizontally until the next data point and then went straight up. (In plotly you can achieve this with line_shape=โ€œhvโ€.) It more accurately represents what happened, since there was no slow climb from one level to the next but rather a jump.

@leonoverweel

You are absolutely correct that slopes are sub-optimal.

It would still be wrong as it treats each year as a single atomic point of time.

Next one I build, I'll consider that change.