SelfProgrammedHow dare you...
Not to defend “them”, but I do very much believe that very little of this has anything to do with the fact that she’s a woman. It’s a red versus blue thing, democracy versus fascism. At this point, it doesn’t really matter who runs for president. Trump has attacked her race far more than mentioning anything about her gender.
RivenThey’ve attacked the fact she’s a childless woman plenty. Like if it mattered for her policies. I doubt they’ll straight up attack her for just being a woman much because they still want the conservative woman vote but they’ll sure as shit attack her for woman things.
They’ve attacked her because she doesn’t have any biological children, not because she’s a woman. Although they may be related, the attacks were very specifically against her, not having any biological children.
Because they talk about men not having kids all the time…
They certainly make it as difficult as possible for game to adopt children.
Stop trying to make this simple and black-and-white as they want you to think it is. They’re playing into their bullshit.
What?
Nobody has ever called out a male politician for not having kids. Attacking her for not having kids is literally exclusively about gender.
Nobody has ever called out a male politician for not having kids.
You don’t know that. And if you’re claiming that’s a fact, then prove it.
When you have to invent things just to make your point, you can’t have a very good point.
Prove a negative!
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So you admit your claim is nonsense.
How do you go about proving a lack of evidence? If I claim that there are no bears living on the moon, and you demand proof, how can I possibly provide sufficient proof of a lack of bears?
I’m not the one who made the ridiculous claim, so proving it isn’t my problem. Why don’t you take it up with the person who made it?
You truly aren’t understanding why your position is nonsensical, and that’s hilarious to me.
In my example, if you were to disagree with the claim that bears aren’t living on the moon, then the only way to prove one way or the other is to show evidence that bears do live on the moon. That’s not my claim, so I’m not charged with finding evidence that bears live on the moon. If you want my proof that they don’t, my proof is that there is no evidence that bears do live on the moon. There’s no reason to believe that they do. That’s as far as a null can be proven. Just look at all the following evidence I’ve found in all my long searching for evidence of bears living on the moon:
Convinced?
Yes, that was an idiotic claim for them to make.
Please explain how someone would prove that it doesn’t exist.
We will all wait with bated breath for what will surely be a very informing answer. The stage is all yours.
All you need is one counter-example, dumbass.
no, they are saying you are an idiot. you not getting that is another proof.
Hey, that lady hasn’t had kids. I haven’t had kids, but that’s ok because I’m a man. Fuck that bitch, she doesn’t have kids, she can’t be an american. /s
PresidentCamachoI think what he is saying is sexism is at play much less than tribalism.
I dont think any sane person can say that sexism is not at play at all.
That’s fair enough. Really it’s a travesty at all that we have to rank what’s being attacked, especially when it has nothing to do with policy.
To add to that, calling them sexist further entrenches them. A big part of that movement is a reaction to being called sexist, racist, etc… All you’re doing is playing into their own propaganda. That’s why the “weird” moniker was so much more effective.
Trump and his reich frequently attack her for being a step mother, accuse her of using sex for professional gain, and call her a cat lady. What the fuck are you talking about?
If you have been suddenly struck with amnesia, I suggest you read my comment again. The answer to your incredibly insulting question is there. If it was so shocking and unacceptable to you that you suffered sudden amnesia as a result of reading my comment, that’s on you.
I read your comment again and it was still bullshit.
Maybe if you complain some more, the world will be exactly the way you want.
The sense of entitlement from you…
You’re awfully belligerent and condescending for someone with nothing to say.
Says the troll who just came here to call me names. What hypocrisy
While I agree that at its heart it’s a red vs blue issue, I’ve seen more than enough explicitly sexist commentary from Trump supporters, most commonly suggesting that Kamala has attained her status via sexual favors rather than years of public service.
Trump supporters
Ahem…
I’ve heard people openly talking about this election being “whether a woman gets to be president or not”.
explodicleWere they saying it like it was a good thing or bad thing?
They were saying it the misogynistic way.
I think what he is saying is sexism is at play much less than tribalism.
I dont think any sane person can say that sexism is not at play at all.
I’m not disagreeing, just saying sexism is playing a much bigger part than I anticipated.
mercI believe that a lot of it has to do with her being a non-white woman.
Obviously, something like 30-40% of people had already picked a side and were going to vote either Trump or whoever was not Trump on the other ticket. But, there are still plenty of people in the middle. Given how extreme the US is, the “middle” isn’t reasonable, thoughtful people. They’re all voting for the democrats. It’s racists who don’t think abortion should be banned. It’s sexists who are concerned with corruption. It’s people who are in the alt-right bubble and think that George Soros and Bill Gates are using mosquitoes to infect people with 5G… but who think Trump is a Freemason, so you can’t vote for him.
👍 in my country I’m in the middle, but by US-American standards I’m far left (or more left than the democrats at least).
I’m sure it has much nuance, but all things being equal. If she were a 45 year old white man, I believe it would be a lot less close.
They are new to politics, and are using the only model they find applicable:
Sports spectating, ala pro-wrestling or college football.
Pretty much, I used to think Hillary was just THAT unpopular, and that Trump could never win a fair election with someone competent, capable, and without baggage.
I really hope I wasn’t wrong…
She’s doing better than the old white man who’s been politically powerful for half a century…
The thing is we could have ran AOC and shed have pissed off exactly as many conservatives, but gotten a whole lot more moderate support and taken votes from Stein
The biggest problems with Kamala Harris are her policies
The biggest problems with Kamala Harris are her policies
She’s getting my vote in 2024, but I’m not buying the “hold your nose to save democracy” line again in 2028. This sprint to the right she’s pulled in recent months better be to get in the door.
nytimes.com/…/kamala-harris-progressives-democrat…
As Vice President Kamala Harris makes a broad play to the political center, some Democrats worry that she is going too far in her bid to win over moderates who are skeptical of former President Donald J. Trump. In private — and increasingly in public as Election Day fast approaches — they say she risks chilling Democratic enthusiasm by alienating progressives and working-class voters.
Damn right she risks it.
From the same article:
She has centered her economic platform on middle-class issues like small businesses and entrepreneurship rather than raising the minimum wage, a deeply held goal of many Democrats that polls well across the board. She has taken a harder-line stance on the border than has any member of her party in a generation and has talked more prominently about owning a Glock than about combating climate change. She has not broken from President Biden on the war Israel is waging in Gaza.
Edit - wow that’s a good article. It says everything that needs to be said.
“The tent is big enough for a guy who got us into a war with Iraq, and then the tent is not big enough for a Palestinian to speak for two minutes on the D.N.C. stage,” said Ms. Joshi, contrasting the endorsement of Ms. Harris by Ms. Cheney’s father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, with the Democratic Party’s decision not to invite a Palestinian American to speak at its national convention.
balderdashWhat if Donald Trump ran for president in 2028? The powers that be can keep this going since its a win-win. Vote for establishment Democrats who are leaning more right or vote for a fascist who will move the needle overnight.
What if Donald Trump ran for president in 2028?
He won’t be. They can barely prop him up now. He’s in worse shape than Biden, and frankly I think he was in worse shape than Biden when Biden dropped out.
I’m not convinced he’ll be able to keep his body alive until 2028, if all (or even most of) the stories about how he treats it are true.
Anyhow, my sentence you are primarily responding to should have been this:
She’s getting my vote in 2024, but I’m not buying the “hold your nose to save democracy” line again in 2028 by itself.
If the net effect of a Kamala first term is to pull the party to the right (as is currently tracking) then no, I’ll be one of the people getting yelled at online for refusing to give her my vote for a second term. That’s an outcome she is entirely capable of avoiding.
So libs are really just dropping all lip service to criminal justice reform now.
Nah, we’re just not voting for a fascist for president but I can see how that’s confusing when you drop all morals for selfishness.
Glad to hear you’re voting third party!
Not as long as federal elections tallied with FPTP
Then you’re voting for a genocidal fascist.
ToastedPlanetNo, Trump is the fascist. And a weirdo that no one likes.
Vote for Kamala because she wants a ceasefire. Trump wants Israel to finish what it started.
Trump says Israel needs to ‘finish what they started’ and said war with Hamas is ‘taking a long time’
Former President Donald Trump said in an interview aired Thursday that Israel needs to “finish what they started” and “get it over with fast,” as he continued arguing Israel was “losing the PR war” because of the visuals coming out of Gaza.
Israel doesn’t want a ceasefire, which is the only reason why a ceasefire won’t happen. It has nothing to do with a political party and everything to do with whether a government has any obligation to diplomacy or democracy.
Even though Israel is controlled by fascists currently, the US and the international community have a lot of leverage to use against them. We should use it. But under Trump we definitely won’t.
Kamala doesn’t really want a ceasefire, that’s 100% bullshit, since she vowed to keep arming and funding the terrorist state of Isreal.
We only vote for her because the genocidal zionist is somehow the lesser evil in this fucked up clown show we call America. She, and especially her husband, are zionists to the core.
Kamala: fascist, will continue funding genocide and maintain the status quo of the class war we are losing
Trump: fascist, will continue funding genocide, become dictator, will plunder and obliterate what’s left of western civilization while he’s at it.
Picking the poison that’s least likely to kill us all and send firing squads to exterminate protesters.
Let’s not polish this massive turd we’ve been handed. Both administrations have been funding genocide for the last 75 years, and they’re not going to stop, since they need to keep fueling the military industrial complex to prop up the petro dollar and stave off the inevitable complete economic and societal collapse we face because of the crooks in power who broke the economy and bled peasants dry over the last century.
1 realistically depressed and disgusted vote for Harris here. Rant over.
Kamala is a neoliberal while Trump is a self-identified fascist. This user put it best. Kamala has in fact stated she wants a ceasefire.
She’s taken a stance, multiple times. The left doesn’t want to hear it.
March - npr.org/…/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fi…
July - politico.com/…/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire…
September - wsj.com/…/harris-calls-for-ceasefire-in-gaza-whil…
Words don’t mean shit till she decides she won’t keep sending money and weapons to Isreal. The monopolized 2 party system has destroyed the country over the last 120+ years. You are extremely naive if you think she’s any different than her predecessors, when she has a track verifiable fascist track record.
They crucified Bernie, and Hillary cut his legs out from under him, because he was actually different and would have brought change for the good. They rather Trump won, than Bernie. They wouldn’t let her take Biden’s place to run if she wasn’t going to play ball.
Trump is 1000x worse, but she is still pure evil. The 2 parties are just both arms of the same fascist body.
There’s no need to make up some fantasy that she’s a good person. We’re voting for her already.
when she has a verifiable fascist track record.
I would ask for a source but I know you can’t provide that, because your argument’s statement is false.
There’s no need to make up some fantasy that she’s a good person. We’re voting for her already.
Kamala is a neoliberal, which is a right of center, or leaning-right, position on the political spectrum. Which means she wants to incrementally improve society. This is insufficient to prevent climate change or fix our democracy. But it’s still better than a christo-fascist takeover that will kill millions of people and actively seek to worsen climate change.
Making up a fantasy that she is a fascist is going to hurt her chances in the election. Conflating the candidates, in this case falsely, will suppress voter turnout. So please stop doing it.
Trump is a fascist. He’s been talking about the enemy from within and sending the national guard and the military after people on the left.
nbcnews.com/…/-enemy-trump-claims-democrats-are-d…
“I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within … We have some very bad people we have some sick people, radical left lunatics,” he said.
Any unrest, Trump said, “should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary by the military, because they can’t let that happen.”
Whatever you need to sleep at night, buddy. She was a prosecutor who disproportionately jailed black men for years, but you might be too willfully ignorant to look it up yourself.
Look, you’re just hurting the cause when you flat out lie. At least be realistic about it. Neoliberal is just your way of spelling fascist. We’re voting for her because she is the lesser evil, full stop.
The number of incarcerated people in California people went down under Kamala Harris.
you might be too willfully ignorant to look it up yourself
I don’t need to argue that there isn’t a tea pot in space. But in this case, your argument’s claim has already been fact checked.
…afp.com/misleading-claim-says-harris-jailed-1500…
Look, you’re just hurting the cause when you flat out lie.
Yes, this is what your argument is doing. Lying isn’t being realistic. Fascism is a real political position not just something to call people you don’t like. Vote for Kamala because doing so is useful to achieving socialism and majority rule in the long run.
Note how even diehard supporters will never use any facts from Harris’ actual history to support her, they will only ever evoke the Great Orange Fear.
Well hello there 1 month old obvious hexbear alt