abadideaOct 15, 2024
so apparently if a company goes to Slack and whines “our customers are able to communicate without our direct personal approval and we don’t like it”, Slack will say “you’re so right king” and assign that company exclusive admin control of a user community without asking or even warning the community? https://hachyderm.io/@binford2k/113307917523904182
Ben Ford :grinchsmile: (@[email protected])

Hi everyone! I just wanted to give you a heads up that Perforce has forcibly seized control of the #Puppet Community Slack. They've banned me and removed the Community team and all moderators. This means that there is currently no spam or harassment moderation. It means that the community no longer has the ability to limit monetization. And it means that Perforce has direct access to your account info and no longer needs to go through the Community team when they need sales and marketing leads.

Hachyderm.io
Show threadInfosec V'gerOct 15, 2024
@0xabad1dea @mttaggart @binford2k this would not have happened on IRC.
Show threadabadideaOct 15, 2024
@andrewdwilliams @mttaggart @binford2k also wouldn’t have happened on the pony express, I don’t see how that’s especially helpful
Show threadInfosec V'gerOct 15, 2024
@0xabad1dea @mttaggart @binford2k My point is that maybe we shouldn't be using non-open platforms like slack and discord for everything under the sun.
Show threadShutterBuggedOct 15, 2024

@andrewdwilliams @0xabad1dea @mttaggart @binford2k

To offer IRC to a Discord (or slack) user is to offer FreeDOS to someone using windows XP. IRC might be open, but it's useless. It does not cover maybe more than 5% of what people need. Until a competitor comes along that can match the proprietary offerings on features (the Revolt crew are trying), proprietary solutions will continue to reign supreme.

For a detailed examination, see thread: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/110199104168870444

Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian: (@[email protected])

to be honest, my thoughts on IRC are too long to write about in microblogging. i think the whole concept of an "IRC network" is obsolete. Matrix's "spaces" are kind of an acknowledgement of that reality: Discord's "servers" are the jurisdictional boundary that people actually see. at the same time, Matrix invested heavily in that complicated federation protocol which makes doing things like "i want to defederate matrix.kiwifarms.cc" difficult to accomplish. to "save IRC," i think that IRC pretty much needs to be thrown away. so many assumptions made by its model are destroyed by things like CGNAT. what we need is something modern which can provide a UX similar to Discord, while providing nomadic identity.

Treehouse Mastodon
Show threadTaggartOct 15, 2024
@developing_agent @andrewdwilliams @0xabad1dea @binford2k I'll also just note that "openness," while great, does not protect against mad kings—as WordPress is so painfully finding out.
Show threadShutterBugged
@mttaggart @andrewdwilliams @0xabad1dea @binford2k And Freenode before them.
Oct 15, 2024 at 6:25pmWeb