I made a histogram of wealth distribution in the United States, using the Forbes 400 list that just came out. Almost the entire US population is in the red line at the left, one pixel wide. To fit Elon Musk on the graph, each pixel is $500 million wide. In other words, from the perspective of the very rich, $0 and $500 million look the same.
For more information and sources, see my blog post: https://www.righto.com/2024/10/wealth-distribution-in-united-states.html
Wealth distribution in the United States

Forbes recently published the Forbes 400 List for 2024, listing the 400 richest people in the United States. This inspired me to make a his...

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so going back to your 2013 post, median income was 100K and no one was richer than 70b

today median income is 190K and TWELVE people are over 100 BILLION

something is VERY VERY wrong

@kenshirriff Came here to post this link. I'll just boost instead.
@kenshirriff might be good to also show a graph with log scale
@iacore @kenshirriff depressing as anything to need it, but yes ...
@iacore @kenshirriff Not sure it would serve the same purpose if done that way. It would just make wealth inequality look less extreme than it is.
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Now add trends over time, incl. projections: "Top tech billionaires are on track to become the first trillionaires" https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/10/10/the-top-tech-billionaires-are-on-track-to-become-the-first-trillionaires-who-will-get-ther v @euronews (Easy to project income for the other 3xx billion +/- assorted riffraff.)
Which billionaires are on track to be the world’s first trillionaires?

The tech industry is home to eight of the world’s ten wealthiest individuals, but who among them will be the first to reach trillionaire status?

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‘Distribution’ might not be quite the right word🤔
@kenshirriff this proves that is more worth taxing the poor
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So there's about 2500 people holding the world hostage
Money is so broken...
@kenshirriff Other than the Kochs and the Waltons everyone whose name is on your list grew up middle or upper middle class, not top 1%. Four of the fourteen are US immigrants. Maybe the America IS the land of opportunity? Or maybe wealth is just luck, like if 350 million go to the casino 14 will have large winnings.
@SubductionRheology @kenshirriff that second point, the ones who have billions now are the lucky ones whose businesses went huge. Plus, it doesn't hurt to be a sociopath and exploit your employees, customers, and suppliers to the max, if you really want to make it big.

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Chakraborti's 2002 yardsale model shows how a free market starting from perfect wealth equality evolves to extreme wealth inequality via fair exchanges:

* example octave script - https://codeberg.org/boud/yardsale
* McGhee, Michelle et al 2022 - very clear pop-science explanation - https://pudding.cool/2022/12/yard-sale
* Chakraborti, Anirban 2002 - https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/10.1142/S0129183102003905
* Boghosian, Bruce M. 2019 - affine wealth model https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-inequality-inevitable
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_M._Boghosian

yardsale

Yard-sale simulation for Chakraborti 2002 random wealth evolution model

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@SubductionRheology @kenshirriff class mobility is much lower in US than in Europe. There was a time when the opposite was true.
@SubductionRheology @kenshirriff It mostly is luck, yes. But don't discount the benefit of having access to middle-class (and higher) family and community resources. Because luck on this scale simply doesn't happen unless one already has a solid-enough foundation of getting their basic needs met.
@SubductionRheology @kenshirriff To try to make it simpler: It is possible for the luck fairy to visit someone whose background is robust enough that they can start their own business or otherwise invest in something that may grow that large. But no one who didn't at least have access to a good education, health care, stable housing and a loving family is going to be able to get to that point.
@SubductionRheology @kenshirriff Part of the problem is that there are millions of people who don't get that their chances of getting a luck-fairy visit are basically zero, no matter how hard they work, because they'll never have enough wealth/disposable income to invest on a scale that would allow for it.

@SubductionRheology @kenshirriff To give a personal example: The spouse and I both started out on the poor side of working class. We always had housing, food and OK schools, but not much else.

Both of us worked our asses off to change that. He lucked into having a motherboard for a brain, and getting employed in tech right before the boom. The last 30 years of that have bumped us up several tax brackets. But we're still only in the top 10% of wealth, with no chance of getting much higher.

@SubductionRheology @kenshirriff I think this depends an awful lot on your definition of 'upper middle'. E.g., Jeff Bezos's parents were able to comfortably loan him more than two hundred thousand dollars in the 90s to help get Amazon off the ground. I wouldn't consider someone who could do that _today_ to be anywhere near 'middle', much less then.
@kenshirriff What happens if you plot the x axis logarithmically?

@riley @kenshirriff two things:

1. You find out we don’t have that much data on the distribution of the sub-$500M people so the plot can’t be accurate.

2. It removes the overall shock that Musk is so insanely rich.

With his money, he could do great things and make real change in things like health and welfare. But instead he wants more.

@sdjmchattie Didn't he calculate that he could end the world hunger with pocket change a couple of years ago?

But for some reason, he values the opinions of a few million poopie-shirt sneerleaders more highly than the gratitude of a few billion no-longer-hungry people.

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Is that why TFG thinks he's "one of the working people, fighting the elites"? 😅

@kenshirriff I suppose the wealth axis could be logarithmic, so it's the same distance between 100k, 1m, 10m, 100m, 1b, 10b, 100b. There would still be a big clump at the low end because a lot of people have zero or negative net worth.
@kenshirriff I like my little pixel, everyone I care to know shares it with me and we're all quite happy.
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This is why logarithmic scales were invented.
@kenshirriff are there still 2 Koch’s?
@Codhisattva @kenshirriff Charles Koch is still around, while David Koch died in 2019 (just Google it). If there's any justice, David may be roasting.
@kenshirriff quite a histogram. It appears that wealth is far from normally distributed.
@kenshirriff Got to feel for those poor 1500 people over 500m but under 1b. The pressure on them to join the elite is intense.
@kenshirriff Could we also have a graph where the x-axis is log(wealth)?

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An illustrated guide as to why billionaires don’t think like you, act like you, have literally anything in common with any of us.

This much wealth (and power) in so few hands is inherently corrosive to individuals and society.

#TaxTheRich

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No man should be able to achieve this amount of money. It is a perversion.

@kenshirriff Very interesting graph that of course raises more questions. :) I am glad you didn’t use a logarithmic scale. Do you have the data to easily create a similar graph zooming in on the 0-500 million pixel to the full width of the graph? Again, not logarithmic?
@jjj @kenshirriff I would also be interested in seeing that. It would help highlight the extent to which poverty is an issue.
@kenshirriff Certainly makes the problem pretty clear.

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They can't help it. Money makes money.
Bill Gates, philanthropist, had a net worth of 53b when he stopped working for Microsoft in 2008 and somehow acquired another 70b, while trying very hard to donate his money to charity. Poor guy.

@kenshirriff the amount of money some people have falls into a category I call "stupid rich”, in that it is so much money it is conceivably impossible to comprehend and I feel very stupid thinking of a number that large.
@kenshirriff http://www.lcurve.org has been on this since 2000-ish
The L-Curve 2.0: An Updated Graph of the US Income Distribution

The US Income distribution does not look like a "Bell Curve". It is an "L-Curve": a gradual ramp for 99% of the population forming "horizontal branch" and a steep spike at top reacing beyond stratosphere. The disparity is so great it is difficult to represent on single graph. To comprehend it we must zoom over five orders magnitude.

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The US economy needs debt and very low wages to function.
Both are integral by design.

https://medium.com/@colingajewski/americas-coolie-economy-feaf95b0303c

America's Coolie Economy.

The concept of a "Debt-Based Coolie Economy" refers to a systemic and intentional design within the U.S. economy that relies heavily on…

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@kenshirriff While I am a person who values my privacy, I would confirm that my net assets are between $0 and $499,999,999.99. Probably also true for my friends, family, and co-workers. 😜
@scottmiller42 @kenshirriff if only someone would loan me a single cent!
@kenshirriff Another classic visualization is Pen's Parade:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen%27s_parade
Pen's parade - Wikipedia

@kenshirriff ahh ’murrica, where there are no poor people - only temporarily embarrassed (m|b)illionaires. 😂
@kenshirriff So, what you’re telling me, is that these are the 2,310 people who run the US government.
@kenshirriff amazing how anyone opposes the idea of a wealth tax
@kenshirriff as a professional histogram looker, this is a bad histogram to have
@kenshirriff I can't imagine what being worth $1m would be like, heck, I can't imagine what being worth $100k would be like - that's so far beyond my reach.

@kenshirriff I often explain that the problem is not the 10% rich not even the 1%. The 0.1% if not the 0.01%.

In the US millionaires are part of the 99%.

@kenshirriff you forgot to add CuriousMarc‘s wealth after selling all his Lab Equipment 😂
@kenshirriff apologies if this has already come up, but you might appreciate this (slightly older) visualization https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/?v=3
Wealth, shown to scale

Wealth inequality in the United States is out of control. Here we visualize the issue in a unique way.

@dbkrupp That's a nice visualization. Here's a similar one for Musk: https://engaging-data.com/how-rich-is-elon-musk/
How Rich is Elon Musk? - Visualization of Extreme Wealth - Engaging Data

This visualization shows how rich Elon Musk is by comparing his extreme wealth to other large quantities of money and showing them on the same scale.

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