Alice Averlong🏳️‍⚧️
People are always joking about windows having that "windows is not activated, plz fix" watermark that's always showing up on top of displays in public, but these days Linux has that sort of annoying watermark nonsense too, it's just phrased a little different.
Oct 7, 2024 at 3:08amWeb
Show threadCyberFrogOct 7, 2024
@foone average snap user tbh

I simply don't have this problem because I don't use BAD packaging standards.

No I will not elaborate lol
Show threadFreeeeeeeeeeeeee  Oct 7, 2024
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Show threadaburka 🫣Oct 7, 2024

@foone all modern operating systems: okay so we manage shared resources and a "file system" that all programs can access in order to interoperate
Linux: also you can update without rebooting

snapd: ... and I took that personally

Show threadCwd o Seiber-ysbridionOct 11, 2024
@aburka @foone I mean even if you upgraded firefox yoy wouldn't get the new version without restarting the process — snapd trying to force that is the problem here. As i understand it it's something that developers can set? At the same time, shitty of the snap developers to add that lol
Show threadPhillip K NameOct 21, 2024

@alexandria deb firefox currently soft-forces restarts after an update too.

After a while, new tabs crash and eventually it prompts you to restart to keep using it.

As well as pinning the non-snap version of firefox, I've taken to disabling auto updates for it on my machine. I just have to download those updates myself whenever I restart firefox. (basically whenever it crashes)

Show threadCwd o Seiber-ysbridionOct 21, 2024
@griibor huh, ive been using flatpak firefox on steam deck and because i basically never update flatpaks its never forced a restart
Show threadjason has moved to aus.social   𓀬Oct 7, 2024
@foone what happens at the end of 13 days, does it explode
Show threadScott MichaudOct 7, 2024
@foone
... and the snap version doesn't work with certain password managers (cross-application).
... and uninstalling the snap version (in my case) nukes the profile.
Show threadneocturneOct 7, 2024
@scottmichaud @foone I successfully migrated my Firefox profile from the snap to a native install a while ago - the snap simply stores its profile in a different location (which makes sense, as a snap doesn't have full access to your home directory)
Show threadScott MichaudOct 7, 2024
@neocturne @foone Did you manually copy the profile before removing the snap?
Show threadneocturneOct 7, 2024
@scottmichaud @foone Not sure if before or after, but as far as I remember removing the snap didn't remove the profile directory
Show threadpavoOct 7, 2024
@foone this made my last Ubuntu install absolutely infuriating
Show threadvv221Oct 7, 2024
Using Ubuntu without snaps (sticking to .deb packages only) is no longer a realistic option?

CC: @[email protected]
Show threadvv221Oct 7, 2024
Wait, what does this "13 days left" means here?

This is really not a place where I would expect a countdown, and I’m wary of what is supposed to happen if it reaches its expiration…
Show threadLuna LacteaOct 7, 2024
@vv221 @foone I think it means it will forcefully close Firefox to update it even if you're using it in 13 days.
Show threadvv221Oct 7, 2024
Don’t mess with the software I am using. Ever.

A packages manager should not even be able to act on processes started by regular users.

CC: @[email protected]
Show threadLuna LacteaOct 7, 2024
@vv221 @foone I agree. Its only job is to manage the packages.
Show threadmcgrewOct 7, 2024
@foone and this is why I don't use snap, flatpak, etc., or distros that want you to use them.
Show threadLuna LacteaOct 7, 2024
@mcgrew @foone Flatpak is actually pretty ok, it doesn't care what your distro is & the sandboxing is nice, I like how it lets you manage permissions for a package similar to Android apps too. Sandboxing can also cause problems if you need it to not be sandboxed, but it seems like most of the time there's also another package format available for the same program.
Show threadmcgrewOct 7, 2024

@jackemled that's fine if that's what you want. I'd prefer apps to be managed by the system package manager. The way I see it if I need to worry about the app permissions then I don't trust that app and I probably shouldn't be installing it.

Generally if the package isn't available on my distro then I build my own package and install it. But that's rare on Arch. Almost everything is at least in the AUR.

Show threadLuna LacteaOct 7, 2024
@mcgrew Yeah exactly.
Show threadFingelOct 7, 2024
@mcgrew @jackemled do you manually review every pkgbuild you install from the AUR? Every update? This is where I feel like Flatpak shines. I trust official arch packages. But for random apps I would have previously gotten off the AUR at least Flatpak gives me confidence the app doesn’t have permission to use my webcam or read my home directory. All bets are off in the AUR, it is so easy to compromise a PKGBUILD.
Show threadmcgrewOct 7, 2024

@Fingel @jackemled I review them before the initial install, but not every update. Maybe that will bite me one day, but so far it hasn't.

If you're worried about that, then by all means use whatever packaging system makes you happy, but I'm not going to. The beauty of Linux is that we all have that choice.

Show threadMcTwist has movedOct 7, 2024
@mcgrew @foone Is AppImage any better?
Show threadmcgrewOct 7, 2024
@mctwist I honestly don't know. I've never used any of them because the whole idea has always seemed kind of dumb to me.
Show threadCyberPunkBarMaidOct 7, 2024
@foone Try not to infuriate your users challenge, Hard
Show threadRue MohrOct 7, 2024
@foone I don't really know what to do about web browsers lately, I'm hoping it wont be long till the online web browsers are capable enough to reduce even the ugliest site to something the simplest, oldest browser can handle.
Show threadoldherlOct 7, 2024
@foone It's snap. I suppose it's on Ubuntu? Canonical is driving Ubuntu too far from most distros. It's sort of a big tech company after all.
Show threadeliotreynaOct 7, 2024
@foone That's why I opted to install Arch Linux instead of Ubuntu as a replacement of my Debian partition in my desktop PC.
Show threadレイレイOct 7, 2024

@foone *plugs in a ds4*

A long column of bluetooth pairing consent boxes that won't go away on their own

Show threadElias ProbstOct 7, 2024
@foone for everyone else in this thread still suffering through this "Snap all the things" era of Ubuntu, give "unsnap" by @popey a try (or just migrate to another reasonable distro like #Fedora or #Debian):
https://github.com/popey/unsnap
GitHub - popey/unsnap: Quickly migrate from using snap packages to flatpaks

Quickly migrate from using snap packages to flatpaks - popey/unsnap

GitHub
Show threadpopeyOct 7, 2024
@eliasp @foone Ugh. I should either update that or archive it. I have barely touched it in years.
Show threadElias ProbstOct 7, 2024
@popey then I'll stop recommending it and just advise people to switch distros 😁
@foone
Show threadAdam KatzOct 7, 2024

I particularly loathe snap and flatpak, so I've opted to go straight for the Mozilla-maintained repository via sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/ppa. Details at https://askubuntu.com/a/1404401/260416

A cautionary note from a comment to that answer: you may want to copy your profile from ~/snap/firefox/common/.mozilla/firefox to ~/.mozilla/firefox before uninstalling the Snap package or else it'll purge your profile (another reason why I so strongly dislike Snap)

@foone

How to install Firefox as a traditional deb package (without snap) in Ubuntu 22.04 or later versions?

As far as I see in the ongoing development for 22.04 Jammy, Firefox is a Snap package. The related Deb package in apt is just a shortcut/link to the that snap version. I prefer my installation not ...

Ask Ubuntu
Show threadValley of the DragonOct 7, 2024
@foone and it sticks at 13 days regardless. No countdown. Ibuse it as a reminder to find another source for that app
Show threadHakan BayındırOct 7, 2024
@foone With all my respect, why are you using snap in the first place?
Show threadSouthern Wolf 🐧🦀Oct 7, 2024

@foone "these days Linux Ubuntu has that sort of annoying watermark nonsense too"

There, fixed it for you. 🙃

Show threadPxl PhileOct 7, 2024
@foone right into the feels hnnng
Show threadTammi 𝆮 𓃠Oct 11, 2024
@foone Canonical ☠️