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"Famous" AI Artist Says He's Losing Millions of Dollars From People Stealing His Work

https://lemmy.ml/post/21060886

"Famous" AI Artist Says He's Losing Millions of Dollars From People Stealing His Work - Lemmy

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/3613920 [https://hexbear.net/post/3613920] > https://archive.ph/tR7s6 [https://archive.ph/tR7s6] > > Get fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked > > “This isn’t going to stop,” Allen told the New York Times. “Art is dead, dude. It’s over. A.I. won. Humans lost.” > > “But I still want to get paid for it.”

Xeroxchasechase Oct 5, 2024

Ha! Not the onion was made for this headline!

givesomefucks Oct 5, 2024

Another idiot who thinks “prompt engineering” is a real skill and not just another step those companies are using idiots for free AI training.

You ask AI to draw a ninja turtle on a skateboard, and that “effort” they put into phrasing their request well enough for the AI to understand makes the AI learn the 10 past attempts were looking for what the 11th got

And now it won’t take ten tries to go that route

Any “skill” by the user has a very short expiration date because the next version won’t need it thanks to all the time users spent developing those “skills”.

But no one impressed with AI is smart enough to realize that. And since they’re the on s training the AI…

Idiots in, idiots out

aiccount Oct 5, 2024

I use ai when I use search engines. This makes the search engines better. I also use ai when I get spotify suggestions. I use ai when I use autocorrect. I use ai without even realizing I’m using ai and the ai improves from it, and I and many other people get an improved quality of life from it, that’s why nearly everyone uses it just like I do.

So, @givesomefucks , do you also regularly use ai that improves from from your usage? Or are you not a hypocrite who thinks there is something morally bad about specific ais that you don’t like while doing exactly what you claim to be against with other ais? How are your moral lines drawn?

NaibofTabr Oct 5, 2024

I use ai when I use search engines. This makes the search engines better.

go on mate, pull the other one!

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Google’s notoriously wonky AI Overviews feature — you know, the one that repeatedly makes up facts and literally tells users to eat rocks — is about to get a whole lot more annoying. On Thursday, the tech giant announced that its AI-generated search summaries will now begin to show ads above, below, and within them, as a way of demonstrating that the technology is capable of actually making money. It will also serve to assuage concerns that AI chatbots could eat into search ad revenues, which are Google’s biggest cash cow. Now, if you search how to get a grass stain out of jeans, as seen in an example in Google’s blog post, you’ll get an AI summary which contains a carousel of relevant website links, plus a heavy helping of “Sponsored” ads for stain removers. Revolutionary stuff.

Peruvian_Skies Oct 6, 2024

They didn’t say better for whom.

givesomefucks Oct 5, 2024

Thanks for the example!

Whether an individual determines AI “smart” depends on how smart the person is. We’re all all our own frame of reference.

I have no doubt AI impresses you every day of your life, even stuff that’s not AI apparently, because not all of your examples were.

aiccount Oct 6, 2024

You are just ignorant of the history and evolution of the term “AI”. It’s easy for anyone to learn about it’s history, your point of view is just one of ignorance of the past.

GenderNeutralBro Oct 6, 2024

I think you were downvoted by people who think “AI” was invented in the past decade.

Prunebutt Oct 6, 2024

Thanks for demonstrating what a useless term “AI” is when you’re not trying to sell snake oil.

aiccount Oct 6, 2024

Every word in every language changes over time. The term AI changing is the absolute normal. It’s not some mark against it.

Current llms are phenomenally beneficial for some things. Millions of developers have had their entire careers completely changed. Teachers are able to grade work in 10% of the time. Children through to college students and anyone interested in learning have infinitely patient tutors on demand 24 hours a day. The fact that you are completely clueless about what is going on doesn’t by any stretch of the imagination mean it isn’t happening. It just means that you not only feel like you are “beyond learning”, it also means that you don’t even have people in your life that are still interested in personal growth, or you are too shallow to have conversations with anyone who is.

This is just beginning. The more you cling to being in denial of progress, the further you will get behind. You are denying any mode of transportation other than horses even exists, while people are routinely flying around the world. It most likely won’t be too long until your mindset is widely accepted as a mental disorder.

Prunebutt Oct 6, 2024

Every word in every language changes over time. The term AI changing is the absolute normal. It’s not some mark against it.

Lumping machine learning algorithms, llms, regressive learning, search algorithms all in one bucket and calling it “AI” serves no proper purpose. There is no consensus, it’s not a clear definition, it’s not convenient and it only helps sell bullshit. Llms aren’t intelligent. Calling them that is the opposite of useful.

Current llms are phenomenally beneficial for some things.

Namely: the portfolio of tech shareholders and grifters.

Millions of developers have had their entire careers completely changed.

Lol, no. What’s your source for this?

Teachers are able to grade work in 10% of the time.

Poor students.

Children through to college students and anyone interested in learning have infinitely patient tutors on demand 24 hours a day.

Have you heard of the stories where students believed some AI bullshit more than what their teacher told them? Great “tutor” you have there.

The fact that you are completely clueless about what is going on

Sure, bud. /s

It just means that you not only feel like you are “beyond learning”, it also means that you don’t even have people in your life that are still interested in personal growth, or you are too shallow to have conversations with anyone who is.

Oh, please tell me more about my life, stranger on the internet! /s

What an asshole, seriously.

Have fun in your tech cult, you ableist bootlicker.

aiccount Oct 6, 2024

Yesterday’s AI is today’s normal technology, this is just what keeps happening. Some people just keep forgetting how rapidly things are changing.

You’ll join this “cult” once the masses do, just like you have been doing all along. Some of us are just out here a little bit in the future. You will be one of us when you think it becomes cool, and then you will self-righteously act like you were one of us all along. That’s just what weak-minded followers do. They try to seem like they knew all along where the world was headed without ever trying to look ahead and ridiculing anyone who does.

Prunebutt Oct 6, 2024

The thing you’re evangelizing only leads to more consolidation of power and money, loss of jobs and power for the working class and climate devastation.

aiccount Oct 7, 2024

Yeah, technological progress has historically made life worse for humans.

Prunebutt Oct 7, 2024

Technological “progress” historically mostly served to siphon power to the wealthy.

Also, as a species, we’re currently in the process of conucting a mass extinction, as well as destroying our biosphere.

I recommend you to read the book “Blood in the Machine” as an account how industrialization worsened the life of 19th century textile workers and how the Luddites fought against the disenfrachisement of the people.

aiccount Oct 7, 2024

I recommend reading “The Better Angels of Our Nature” by Steven Pinker. People love to complain about how much worse quality of life has gotten for people, but when actually pressed for specific ways it has gotten worse, they are almost always arguing from a complete ignorance of history. Lifespan is much longer, healthspan is much longer, rapes are way down, murders are way down, torture is way down, dying in childbirth is way down, incest is way fown, pedophilia is way down, starvation is way down, dying from wild animals is way down, wars are way down. Problems now for lots of the world are things like people bickering over who gets to be next to who when they pee and who called a “he” a “she”.

This idea that the world is way worse than it used to be is absurd and just shines a massive light on how popular it has gotten to selfish brats completely oblivious of where we came from.

Prunebutt Oct 7, 2024

I knowof Steven Pinker and don’t agree with his conclusions. I even got a video debunking him you’re probably not gonna watch either

but when actually pressed for specific ways it has gotten worse, they are almost always arguing from a complete ignorance of history.

You’ve ignored my point about climate change. I’m quite sure that concerning history, I got a bit more nuanced takes than you do.

Lifespan is much longer, healthspan is much longer

Medical advances have been made, yes. Inpart due to, technological advancements. These are fundamentally good and not what I’m arguing against.

rapes are way down

How is that a result of technological advances and not social movements fighting for a brighter future?

murders are way down, torture is way down,

I doubt that, if you look at it globally. Israel is currently performing a genocide. I consider that murder.

dying in childbirth is way down

Again, healthcare advances.

incest is way fown, pedophilia is way down, starvation is way down

Not touching those points.

dying from wild animals is way down

Ecodiversity is way down and global pandemics are way up.

wars are way down

Are you kidding me? Did you live under a rock for the last 50 years?

Problems now for lots of the world are things like people bickering over who gets to be next to who when they pee and who called a “he” a “she”.

No, problems now for “lots of the world” is climate change, job insecurity, housing crisis, dangers of a global war escalation, …

This idea that the world is way worse than it used to be

Not what I said.

selfish brats completely oblivious of where we came from

Says the person who choses to ignore how much progress has been done through sometimes violent, social movements.

Steven Pinker and the Failure of New Optimism ft. We're in Hell

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aiccount Oct 9, 2024

It is honestly amazing how little you know of history. We literally had over 100 weeks with more casualties than the entire Russian and isreali wars combined back in ww2. And somehow you think wars are now worse. It’s honestly mind boggling.

Also, it is absolutely undeniable that murder is way down. You haven’t looked, and you can’t imagine how far off you are. The same for pandemics, it’s not even comparable. You are arguing that dinosaurs are smaller than most mice and it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad that you are so sure of yourself and so completely wrong about something you refuse to research. It is literally so easy to quickly look up and find you are wrong.

Prunebutt Oct 9, 2024

you didn’t watch the video, did you?

How are global pandemics way down? hou often did global pandemics occur in the past?

Ok, you got me. WWII was afwul. I would also consider it a historical outlier.

And you’re gonna ignore climate change completely, huh?

aiccount Oct 9, 2024

Clearly, climate change is on the rise. It is absolutely a fair price to pay for all the advancement. For almost all of history, we were dying under 30 years, we are close to triple that thanks to technology and all signs point to lifespan increasing. For pandemics, even if we outrageously compare just the number of deaths, not even percentages as we should, many pandemics of the distant past were way way worse than the only one almost all of us have seen in our lifetimes.

visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadlie…

I know you have it in your head that technology is evil or whatever, but that falls flat when you look up the numbers you are so afraid of. You are like a teenager complaining about how awful their parents are when literally everything you love and enjoy has come directly from them. I would not be surprised in the least if you are a literal teenager with how little you have heard about history.

Visualizing the History of Pandemics

The history of pandemics, from the Antonine Plague to the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) event, ranked by their impact on human life.

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Prunebutt Oct 9, 2024

For almost all of history, we were dying under 30 years, we are close to triple that thanks to technology and all signs point to lifespan increasing.

You accuse me of knowing “alarmingly little” about history and hit me with that bullshit statistic of “dying under 30”? Get outta here. Also: I already explained that I completely condone the medical advancements.

I get a feeling that you’re constantly strawmanning me, by acting as if I’m like “everything used to be better all the time”. I’m not saying that some parts of life have gotten better. But I’m harshly objecting to the notion that technological progress has been a positive good to all of humanity. What I said was that technology usually helps the powerful to become even more powerful. I’m guessrng that you live in the imperial core (look it up) and therefore partly benefited from this concentration of power. This won’t stay that way, if you’re not rich. And a look at the state of common people in 19th century Europe (during the industrial revolution) backs me up on that one.

It’s simply naive to claim that “everything has gotten better”, while ignoring everything that has gotten worse.

It is absolutely a fair price to pay for all the advancement

For pandemics, even if we outrageously compare just the number of deaths, not even percentages as we should, many pandemics of the distant past were way way worse than the only one almost all of us have seen in our lifetimes.

Global pandemics weren’t a thing in the past. And the one we encountered could have been avoided, if it wouldn’t have been for the profit motive.

Don’t you think that some cooky infographic from 2020 might be a **teeny bity* out of date?

I know you have it in your head that technology is evil or whatever

You’re talking about your strawman. I prefer a more nuanced take.

but that falls flat when you look up the numbers you are so afraid of.

Measure your tone. You come off as a dick. You’ve yet to supply data that’s not ridiculous. Watch the video.

Well, if you allow me some wild accusation: if I’m a teenager, then you’re like a child arguing that Santa must exist on account of all the presents appearing on Christmas. And all the Stories of sweatshops for your christmas sneakers are lies, because obviously, the elves were making these.

I would not be surprised in the least if you are a literal teenager with how little you have heard about history.

Says the person who refuse to educate themselves to, learn things that question their held believs a tiny bit. I’ve literally proposed you history books to read.

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aiccount Oct 6, 2024

There is a reason why you point to examples from years ago, that’s because that is where you are still stuck.

Prunebutt Oct 6, 2024

Students “correcting” their teachers on AI bullshit isn’t “from years ago”.

Old examples of AI I counted used to be the bleeding edge of AI research. Now they’re an old hat. The same thing will happen to LLMs. And LLMs won’t lead to so-called “AGI”, just like the other examples didn’t.

WesDym Oct 6, 2024

@aiccount This is one of those cases where even if you're right, you're being kind of a dick about it, and that by itself is enough for many people (maybe most) to reject the rest, just because no one wants to agree with a dick.

Your claims may be true, but they're here unfounded, which for most others is indistinguishable from just making shit up to try to support a flimsy thesis. Paired with your dickish tone, it will sound like bullshit to many people.

Unless that was your goal, this fails.

aiccount Oct 6, 2024

I responded to dickish tones with dickish tone. If that is the only tone some people can understand, then that’s what I’ll try giving them. It should be made abundantly clear that people who constantly use technology in every aspect of their life being openly anti-technology are fools. It shouldn’t be somehow accepted that living in blatant hypocrisy is cool.

WesDym Oct 6, 2024

@aiccount Then you need to grow up.

Some lessons need to be learned the hard way, and this is an example.

Right now, today, I am blocking you -- forever. I will never see or hear anything you have to say, about anything, ever again, because I don't consider it worth the irritation. Nothing you say is unique, and it's needlessly abrasive.

You cannot change this result. But you can prevent it from happening to you again, by changing your ways.

The choice is yours. Good luck. And goodbye.

aiccount Oct 6, 2024

Yeah, just what you need, an even more closed of echo chamber always telling you that you are a genius for being willfully ignorant. You are just increasing your problem.

TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾Oct 7, 2024

Fucking rekt, gd, do y’all have some history?

driving_crooner Oct 5, 2024

“Promp engineering” is as useful skill as Google fu used to be.

Dasus Oct 5, 2024

I completely agree. I wonder whether some IT bachelor’s degrees now have lessons in AI prompting. I remember in 2005 there was a course we had to do which could’ve been labeled “[shitty] Google-Fu” or something. “information searching” is what it would more or less translate to. Basically searching using Google and library searches well. And I don’t mean “library” in the IT-context, but actual libraries. With books. Just had to use the search tools the locals libraries had.

Such a fucking filler class.

In my year like 60 started, two classes. After three years like 8 graduated.

MutilationWave Oct 5, 2024

It’s kinda dead now due to enshittification but the vast majority of humans I’ve interacted with could use a class on how to use a search engine.

Dasus Oct 5, 2024

If the class had actually had any useful information in it, sure.

It was not the greatest class.

driving_crooner Oct 5, 2024

Im old enough to have to learn to use AND, OR and NOT to be used on search engines.

MutilationWave Oct 5, 2024

Boolean operators!

hperrin Oct 6, 2024

My email service, Port87, uses boolean operators in its search language. Polish notation, even!

And the library that does it is open source:

nymph.io/packages/query-parser/

Nymph

Object relational mapper for Node.js and the browser

Nymph

GenderNeutralBro Oct 5, 2024

I’ve worked with tons of people who do not understand how to effectively use search engines. Maybe this was done poorly but it seems reasonable enough to me in principle.

Dkarma Oct 6, 2024

You don’t have a clue how ai works do you?

Prunebutt Oct 6, 2024

Can you point out what’s supposedly wrong with their comment or are you just claiming that every critic of so-called “AI” doesn’t have a clue to justify the hype?

hperrin Oct 6, 2024

I don’t know about that, in particular, because people generally add more detail, but it teaches the AI what kind of detail to add. So if you’re not picky, then yeah, the AI learns from that kind of thing.

As far as it being a useful skill, I don’t think it was in the first place. “Prompt engineer” has always been a joke. It’s like being a “sandwich artist”. Everyone can do it with one day of practice.

CaptainKickass Oct 5, 2024

TomMasz Oct 5, 2024

ChatGPT, show me the world’s tiniest violin playing “No One Gives a Fuck” in A minor.

dovah Oct 5, 2024

I wish that was true for minors 😔

frazw Oct 5, 2024

It’s not “famous” that should be in inverted commas, but “artist”.

Zahille7 Oct 5, 2024

We call those quotation marks.

But yes.

frazw Oct 5, 2024

Who is we? The global pedant society?

EldritchFemininity Oct 5, 2024

The English language? I have never heard the phrase “inverted commas.”

But as to your point: “Both? Both is good.”

frazw Oct 5, 2024

Ok so I apologise for my earlier snarky reaction but I felt zahille7’s response was somewhat condescending. Particularly since it is terminology recognised by three major English dictionaries, one of which is widely regarded as the leading authority on the English language… www.oed.com/dictionary/inverted-comma_n?tl=true www.collinsdictionary.com/…/inverted-commas dictionary.cambridge.org/…/inverted-commas

… So just because you have never heard of something, doesn’t give you licence to be rude to someone or talk down to them as if they are stupid for their choice of phrasing. Or maybe it just means you aren’t British…

inverted comma, n. meanings, etymology and more | Oxford English Dictionary

inverted comma, n. meanings, etymology, pronunciation and more in the Oxford English Dictionary

EldritchFemininity Oct 5, 2024

Nailed it on the last one. I was going to say, you can probably thank the American education system if it’s common enough to be recognized by dictionaries like those. And Zahille7 is probably American, too, which caused the snarky comment in the first place.

Just the usual case of English being a crazy language that ruffles through other languages’ coat pockets looking for loose adverbs.

9point6 Oct 5, 2024

How to use inverted commas

From the national broadcaster of England

How to use inverted commas - BBC Bitesize

Inverted commas are used to show when someone is speaking. Find out more in this Bitesize Primary KS2 English guide.

BBC Bitesize

EldritchFemininity Oct 5, 2024

Ah, the usual case of English and American being two entirely different languages despite pretending otherwise.

Banik2008 Oct 6, 2024

The national broadcaster of Britain. Otherwise it would be called the EBC, not the BBC.

9point6 Oct 6, 2024

I know, I deliberately said England here to emphasize they would be a good authority on the English language

lobut Oct 5, 2024

Aren’t inverted commas also a phrase for that? Or is that the joke.

Executive Chimp Oct 5, 2024

Yeah. It’s from the old printing press times when they used the same pieces of type for commas and quote marks, just rotated 360 degrees.

Peruvian_Skies Oct 6, 2024

Rotated 180 degrees.

Executive Chimp Oct 6, 2024

Ah, yes

Artyom Oct 5, 2024

Actually I’d argue you could put quotation marks on every word in the first half of the title.

Doxanarchy Oct 5, 2024

Kalkaline Oct 5, 2024

Stupid tardigrade doesn’t even know how to play a violin

Granite Oct 5, 2024

He’s doing his best!