jeffwAre you ready for another Bush v. Gore? The Supreme Court is.
MaggotyWe need to be ready to march in the streets if SCOTUS tries to pull some fuckery. They’re not even supposed to be in the loop on elections. That’s the newly elected Congress’ job.
We need to be ready to march in the streets if entities like local precinct offices or the Georgia Election Board try to pull some fuckery too, long before the fuckery even makes it to the MAGA SCOTUS.
RivalarrivalIf you’re not marching with guillotines at the ready, there is no point in marching at all.
Hate to break it to ya, but marching in the streets won’t solve this. More drastic measures would have to take place, and frankly I don’t see that happening.
On the contrary a massive number of people on the streets is the only way we’ve seen effective change in the past couple decades. Violence has led to protracted conflicts with a low rate of success.
Ah yes, I also remember when the Iraq War protests stopped the invasion. And when Occupy reigned in greed on Wall Street. And in 2016 when Trump was defeated. And in 2020 when we finally ended systemic racism and police brutality.
Don’t forget when the Pussyhat Protests stopped Roe v. Wade from being overturned.
You need to start adding a zero to get numbers that change things. The abortion rights marches have absolutely changed stuff. The Republicans refuse to admit they ever had anything to do with getting rid of abortion and abortion rights have won in all 7 states that already voted on it. Now they’re on the ballot in 11 states for November.
When you get enough people, and it’s not some nebulous idea like gun violence, stuff actually happens.
Lol you are so close to “riots work”
Which, if so, then yeah dude ✊🏿✊🏾✊🏽✊🏼
Yeah, all we need is a ten-million person march, then we can change things! 🙄
Yeah, just miss that order of magnitude in the middle there.
So 1M needs a zero, but 10M is an order of magnitude too high? Ok. 🤣
Oh yeah 3/4 examples are below a million. So it must be that one high outlier, that’s also actually working.
Lol k
Those weren’t enough people and you can’t protest an idea the way occupy protested greed. It just didn’t work. When you look at the pictures of places that have done this they have completely filled the streets, to the point there is no controlling the crowd.
Filling a park or a “free speech zone” isn’t going to do it.
Examples, please
They don’t have any, they just know you’re supposed to say “take to the streets.”
IchNichtenLichtenWell, there’s this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#Overview
If you follow the thread here, this is in a US context, and it’s about “non violent” protests. Euromaidan activists seized the government quarter by force and stormed Yanukovych’s mansion.
While I take your point, this isn’t a particularly illustrative example in this context.
No this is exactly what it looks like. They filled the streets and they didn’t go into his mansion until he fled after the Army turned on him for using lethal force against the crowd.
Just like the water hoses and dogs picture was very resonant in the US. The 1964 civil rights act was passed the next year after that photo went viral.
Yes, as I mentioned, 60 years ago.
There have been plenty of more modern examples given as well. At this point you’re just willingly ignoring them
The 1964 civil rights act was passed the next year after that photo went viral.
A year is an extraordinarily long time with an illegitimate occupant of the White House, pardoning himself for anything he chooses to do.
I don’t think the measures that were effective during the civil rights era are at all suitable for addressing such a fundamental breach of the constitution.
That was because the remedy protestors asked for was legislative and they accepted legislative lag as a reality.
The remedy if Trump or SCOTUS fucks around is immediate abdication.
Buddy, I just fucking woke up. This isn’t a voice conversation.
Maybe we watched the news and saw it happen. Egads!
Ukraine is probably the most recent example. Russia invaded them but before that they threw their president out purely with people in the street.
In Egypt they caused a change of governance that wasn’t a total improvement but was an improvement.
In Tunisia and Algeria they got favorable changes in government.
Yanukovych fled because people started raiding armories and shooting at Berkut. In Egypt the army sided with the protestors. Don’t know Tunisia and Algeria off the dome but I doubt there was no violence or threat of imminent violence
Once you have enough people that is the threat.
That’s what so many people in this thread are missing. Without a visible critical mass of people showing support they’re going to be dismissed as a small group of armed dissidents and everyone will stay home and cheer when we kill the terrorists.
With that critical mass of support the “government” would be forced to either abdicate or deploy force in the most immoral manner possible. Against an overwhelming show of support. Which swings it all the other way. This is why dictators shut down the Internet during protests.
So they may still get what is clearly their wish. But for the good of the country it needs to be done the right way if Trump steals the election.
Of course there was some violence. You think the cops are going to be peaceful? Ha!
Now do the US
1964 civil rights act
Suffragette movement
Prohibition
The original crowd in Boston that started our country
Yeah, little known fact that the dudes in Boston accomplished so much through non violence, that the American revolution was actually just for the sport of it. Kinda like pro wrestling.
Look at you professionally missing the point.
If SC tries to hand the country over to a lying fascist there will be drastic measures. If they don’t respect the rule if law then that’s the breaking point where we stop respecting their laws. Biden has insane immunity coverage courtesy of the SC so we can start with some “official acts” of removal and see how all this plays out.
LARP. Sounds amazing, really. But they stopped respecting the law long ago and nobody has done or will do jack shit about it.
I like to think so, but I honestly think people would maybe protest a bit but then everyone would go back to work and shrug their shoulders. I’d love to be wrong though.
Liberals have never had the balls to start a revolution, and revolutionaries in the US know better than to let liberals goad them into anything resembling unified action after the last several times
Ready for more than marching.