return2ozmaIsraeli military says Iran has fired missiles at Israel
MachinistHow bad is this? Like WWIII bad or localized slaughter and ‘limited’ actions bad?
Flying SquidI guess that will depend on what the missiles are carrying.
empireOfLove2Well the last time Iran fired stuff at Israel, the missles were all intercepted and didn’t do anything. So we’ll see. It may end up being another otherwise nothing burger, but considering Israel is actively invading Lebanon right now, the chances for larger and larger exchanges that begin overwhelming the Iron Dome are growing by the second.
The BBC has some video. Looks like some missiles are being intercepted, some hitting.
BBC: “celebratory gunfire” in Beiruit.
What a fucked up part of the world.
Edit: the celebratory part isn’t fucked up. The doing it by shooting guns in the air is.
SundialI mean I get where you’re coming from but you can’t honestly expect the people of Lebanon to be sympathetic to the Israeli’s given the events of the past 2 weeks.
It’s not the celebration. It’s the celebratory gunfire.
By all means, celebrate. Maybe don’t do it in a way that can hurt other people.
Oh. Yeah, I agree with you. My bad, misinterpreted your comment.
Sorry. Edited to clarify.
Parts of the US are no better.
A Texas official gets probation for accidentally shooting his grandson at a wedding
A Texas county commissioner will spend one year on probation for accidentally shooting his grandson during a Nebraska wedding he was officiating. Michael Gardner, 63, of Odessa, Texas, was sentenced Monday for misdemeanor child abuse in the 2023 shooting. His grandson, then 12, survived the shoulder wound. The shooting happened when Gardner pulled out a revolver, intending to fire a blank round into the air to signal the start of the outdoor ceremony near the small town of Denton in southeastern Nebraska. But as he was cocking the gun’s hammer, it fired, hitting the boy.
If you want me to claim that the U.S. is not also a fucked-up part of the world, you have come to the wrong person.
Hezbollah have had this coming, they fired rockets at Israel on October 8th. So not because of what Israel was doing to the Palestinians, but in support of what Hamas did on October 7th.
The moment the first news dropped on October 7 it was clear Israel was to retaliate with a bloodbath and they started bombing Gaza the same evening. If Hezbollahs goal at the time was to make use of the situation, they would have went for an all out attack while IDF was in disarray.
The goal was to increase the pressure on Israel for reaching a cease-fire agreement through keeping their northern settlers out of their settlements, rendering the region economically inactive and the settlers angry at their government.
It seems like no one anticipated this to go into a yearlong war. Initially Hamas seemed to have aimed to reach a ceasefire quickly through a hostage exchange deal, but Israel put genocide over having their hostages return alive.
There’s been no evidence of genocide. I have plenty of criticisms of the Israeli government, and if you were arguing it’s indiscriminate you’d have a point. But genocide? No. We don’t call Hiroshima a genocide and that was far worse than what’s happening in Gaza. We don’t call Dresden a genocide. We don’t call shock and awe in Iraq a genocide.
Words have meaning.
Rights expert finds ‘reasonable grounds’ genocide is being committed in Gaza: news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976
Human Rights Watch founder accuses Israel of genocide: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0j1rk0c
A top U.N. court says Gaza genocide is ‘plausible’ but does not order cease-fire: npr.org/…/icj-israel-genocide-gaza-palestinians-s…
Rights expert finds ‘reasonable grounds’ genocide is being committed in Gaza
There are "reasonable grounds" to believe that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories said on Tuesday.
The rate of bombing in Gaza has drastically slowed compared to the opening stages of the war. Israel can be accused of being too blase about civilian death, but there is no evidence of systematic attempts to eradicate the Arab population entirely. I have yet to see any credible evidence of anything but Israel having a disturbing willingness to kill 10 to get 1, if you get me. That’s horrific enough, you don’t need to exaggerate it by calling it genocide. There’s plenty of legitimate enough concerns about Israel’s bombing campaign without resorting to sensationalism.
Huge, huge, difference between not caring if you hit the next building by accident in an otherwise precise airstrike, and rounding up and killing them all. You should account for the inherent destructiveness of modern urban warfare also. Go on google earth and look at what the Russians did to cities in East Ukraine. Just because something is horrible, tragic, awful, doesn’t make it a genocide. It is impossible to fight a war against an entity like Hamas and not have innocent people hit in the crossfire. Israel is in an unwinnable position in that sense. It either lets hamas terrorize it’s population, or it fires back and risks killing innocent people.
It’s a complex situation is what I’m getting it. Let’s not pretend it’s anything else to suit some juvenile good/bad narrative
Juvenile? I gave you expert opinions.
And I have good reason to believe they are wrong.
😊
Which is what? What expert opinion do you have? Or is this one of these “I know better than the experts” things?
Half a million other experts on the internet.
I said my bit, look up what’s in it yourself.
Except they aren’t experts. People who work for the UN and Human Rights Watch are. I’m not sure why you are equating random internet commenters to them. That’s highly dishonest. It’s like saying that you know more about the brain than a neurologist because a lot of internet commenters agree with you. The universe doesn’t work that way.
I’m not going to get into the internal politics of the UN or the shit track record when it comes to accuracy that the activist wing has. Fact is you and me both know you can find a source that says anything you want. It’s irrelevant and boring on top of that. I’m not doing homework for you.
I gave you a couple paragraphs explaining my reasoning. Now if you want to talk about that then fine
Again, I didn’t just give you the UN.
And you have not found any sources at all. But I get it that you think you know better than any of those dumb experts with their stupid university degrees.
I actually have one of those stupid degrees.
Jokes on you, I was an expert all along
You don’t, but you do have one more post to convince me you’re not a troll.
Iran’s IRGC say attack on Israel response to killing of Nasrallah
Iran’s Fars news agency is reporting that Iran’s Revolutionary Guards said the missile attack under way on Israel is in response to the killing of Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah last week as well as that of the Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh earlier this year.
“In response to the martyrdom of Ismail Haniyeh, Hassan Nasrallah and (IRGC Guards commander) Nilforoshan, we targeted the heart of the occupied territories,” the IRGC said in a statement.
So seems like Iran intends this to be a one and done response for everything Israel has done the last few months.
So seems like Iran intends this to be a one and done response for everything Israel has done the last few months.
i.e. “Please don’t escalate this any further. We prefer this level of escalation and no more.”
Yeah, that’s been Iran’s position for a while. They don’t strike first, but they’ll return fire.
They do arm plenty of proxy groups, though.
… Yeah. Iran “doesn’t strike first”. They just back terrorist groups with funding, supplies, and planning so that they can strike instead.
Please do yourself a favor and actually educate yourself on the clusterfuck that is the middle east rather than just parroting whatever a twitch streamer tells you. This has been going in cycles for decades.
There is a significant difference between proxies and a direct missile attack launched by a nation-state. Just as there is a significant difference between the US arming a genocidal state, and the US actually dropping bombs directly on civilians. Not to say Iran and the US are not blameless for the actions of their proxies, but there are degrees here that are significant. You kneejerk “Iran bad, Israel good” view of the world is devoid of nuance. Maybe you should get yourself a twitch stream.
Where did I ever say
“Iran bad, Israel good”
But hey, much easier to attack a strawman, right?
Believe it or not, but you don’t have to explicitly state something for you to be doing something. It’s extremely obvious that you approached this news with that bias.
*centuries
Well. The current conflict with Israel only really goes back about 80-ish years. And there are strong arguments that the current iranian proxy wars are a different conflict with different root causes but… yeah.
The region itself? Most of that goes back to when The West decided to redraw borders with no real logic other than guaranteeing cyclic wars of ethnic cleansing between warlord. I want to say that is more 150-ish years, but I genuinely forget. So it very well could be centuries in that regard.
But the way to think of it? The former is why EVERYONE hates Israel. The latter is why nobody is actually interested in helping the Palestinians and just view them as a way to bleed IDF resources and give the government rope to hang themselves with.
I would say the current cycle of violence can be said to have begun after WWI and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. But there have been plenty more cycles of sectarian and tribal violence in the region over the centuries.
BlackmistBit of it, yeah. But Iran in particular is a mid-20th century clusterfuck of British and US interference.
Honestly the best thing we can all do is wean ourselves off oil so it can go back to being a scattering of unimportant desert tribes.
So seems like Iran intends this to be a one and done response for everything Israel has done the last few months.
I think it’s highly unlikely that Israel will agree on that one. This may escalate and quickly.
BBC says Iran has launched a smaller number of missiles than they did in April.
181 missiles were launched this time
How many last time?
BBC: No reports of damage or casualties so far. Missile attacks were on both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
BBC: Airspace over Israel has been re-opened.