Hostage users vs. Hostage killers, what a wonderful scenario the Middle East has gotten itself into this time.

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Hostage users vs. Hostage killers, what a wonderful scenario the Middle East has gotten itself into this time. - Lemmy.World

What are you talking about? The beepers and radios were bought by Hezbollah, and went to Hezbollah members. They were surgical strikes.

Meanwhile, Lebanon is still firing rockets at Israel. The only reason that not more Israeli civilians are dead is because of the Iron Dome

If they were surgical then why did innocent civilians and children get hurt? What kind of surgeons are you used and what on earth is their level of success?

Meanwhile, Lebanon is still firing rockets at Israel. The only reason that not more Israeli civilians are dead is because of the Iron Dome

Why is Israel getting attacked by Hezbollah? (It’s not Lebanon attacking Israel.)

I’d say it was closer to a surgeon than to most recent Isreali actions, but you’re right, “surgical” is always a propaganda term in military contexts. There is no clean war, only relatively less dirty.
Saying it’s close to a surgeon compared to the rest of Israel’s actions is like saying a sawed-off shotgun is slightly more accurate because you added a tiny barrel to decrease it’s spread. It’s common knowledge this was an act of terror that violated international law and was intended to escalate the conflict to help keep Bibi and his cronies in power while also grabbing more land from Palestine and Lebanon. Calling it “surgical” is not just propaganda. It’s an outright lie and intended to misdirect from what’s actually happening.

It’s common knowledge this was an act of terror

I really don’t think so. That’s just some people’s opinion. Hell, even “act of terror” is poorly-defined, as used.

and was intended to escalate the conflict to help keep Bibi and his cronies in power

That’s valid, though. There’s nothing just about the war, valid method in this one instance or no.

It really is an act of terror. This isn’t subjective. If you attack a population and spread terror among them than it’s an act of terror.

“It is also a war crime to commit violence intended to spread terror among civilians, including to intimidate or deter them from supporting an adversary,” the experts warned. “A climate of fear now pervades everyday life in Lebanon,” they said.

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So when the police arrest someone for stealing in order to deter other potential thieves, that’s an act of terror? I kinda thought you might go there, but it’s a uselessly vague dictionary definition. In practice it’s even more political than “surgical strike”.

Collective punishment is a war crime, but this was directed at personnel of a military adversary, not Lebanese people in general. These UN experts seem to think it was indiscriminate, and they’re way more qualified than me, but at the same time an airstrike on a specifically military target is generally considered okay, and has way higher potential for collateral damage.

Humanitarian law additionally prohibits the use of booby-traps disguised as apparently harmless portable objects where specifically designed and constructed with explosives

This one’s new to me. Yep, that fits to a tee. Never mind, it was illegal.

This one’s new to me. Yep, that fits to a tee. Never mind, it was illegal.

This is not quite as cut-and-dry. The prohibition is for civilian objects. The argument can be made that Israel rigging the communication devices of Hezbollah operatives specifically is not invalid just because communication devices are dual-use objects.

But regardless. It’s shitty, Israel’s motives are shitty, and all most of us half a world away can do is meme to keep our sanity.

Or lose it. Whatever.

Do you know which treaty that was exactly? I also wonder if it was written at a time when opaque military supply chains and detonation by network weren’t around. A walkie-talkie that blows up on use and is sold openly would indeed be indiscriminate as hell.
Protocol on Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices - Wikipedia

A link to the text that currently works, Wikipedia has some rust going on.

It’s Article 6 section 1 subsection “a” that’s relevant here. Interestingly, it’s worded specifically about self-detonating objects, as opposed to remote controlled ones, which other parts of the text do include. Maybe there’s been updates of some kind to this, though; I defer to the actual lawyers.