Eugen RochkoHappy to be a launch partner of the Social Web Foundation (@swf). Excited to see other organizations being built to push the fediverse forward!
AlexTECPlayz@Gargron @[email protected] I gave SWF the benefit of the doubt for a little while to let others dig into it, but SWF doesn't seem good at all for the Fediverse. There's already a lack of transparency.
WHY are there stakeholders? Why is there a team of self-chosen leaders instead of letting the entire 'Fediverse' vote on this? What are the concrete goals of the foundation?
- Where are proposals for some universal moderation tools and functionality that would be integrated in AP and the 'main' AP services such as Mastodon?
- WHO exactly are the stakeholders? What are each stakeholder's % in SWF? (For example, is Meta's stake bigger than Mastodon's?)
- Why are companies known to ignore extremist and hateful content (Meta, Medium) on board? Nothing specifically against Meta working on improving Fedi, but they don't have a great track record, even with the recent Threads release.
@Gargron - Besides E2EE MLS, which is useful for group chats (whose SWF page is nearly empty - https://socialwebfoundation.org/program-protocol-e2ee/), what else is there that SWF brings to the table, and to AP? What about a 1-on-1 E2EE protocol, similar to Signal, that is federated and perhaps compatible with AP?
- "The Social Web Foundation [...] - working with technologists and the public to build a new global town square that works for everyone" has numerous issues:
1. The Fediverse is NOT a global town square. If you want to use this comparison, then Fedi as a whole is the planet, and each instance is its own town square, somewhere on that planet, in their own countries.
2. "a new [...] town square" just gives me the Twitter/X ick. We do not want a Twitter/X sequel.
3. How is SWF working with the public? What have they consulted the public on, besides just dropping this useless website filled with questionable announcements?
4. "a new [...] town square" gives me the centralization ick, for whatever reason.
@Gargron Nice "Fediverse start page" by the way, it's blank (https://socialwebfoundation.org/fediverse-starter-page/). There have been numerous guides that explain what Fedi is, there's no need for another one. Even Threads' explanation of what Fedi is, is sufficient.
It's safe to say that very few people are excited about the SWF. We're more worried it's backed by corporate, greedy companies like Meta that have a bad track record, and this might be an attempt to centralize Fedi in a way or another.
(Eugen, if you're wondering why I'm posting all of this here, it's because you're arguably one of the bigger figures in non-corporate Fedi, plus you're now a partner of the SWF. I don't expect you specifically to answer to any of this, but the SWF account has no post to reply to, and I don't see why I should make these posts standalone, as fewer people would read them.)
