I’ve been reading some of the criticisms against Space Marine 2, and wow people have had their brains destroyed by AAA gaming.
No the game isn’t « incomplete ». No, it doesn’t need « perfect balance ». It’s not a live service game. It’s a 360 style brawler with enough stuff to hold you for about 40-60 hours. That’s how games should be. Not everything should be a live service, competitive game. Just because you have online modes doesn’t mean the game needs 5 years of weekly updates.
Why do people always expect games to be this 10 year world where they’ll never need another game? Why do they even WANT that?
You want live service games, there are hundreds. Play Helldivers 2. Not every game needs that stuff, or aims for that stuff, and that doesn’t make the game « incomplete » or a scam, or whatever other nonsense.
@ThePinkHacker Yep. A game that gave me 1000s of hours for one single purchase doesn’t owe me anything.
Hell, a game that gave me 20h of pure fun doesn’t owe me anything.
@thelinuxEXP Video games are expensive and we're at the end-game of consumerism where everyone wants to stretch their money as much as possible. Longativity is part of that investment, right?
"Every Game Matters To Us Even If Its Terrible So They Should Either Last Forever Or Die Playable" does come off as super ambitious, even if I love Ross Scott and the work he's done to acknowledge a problem with a part of the industry.
I dropped Destiny 2 because I was pretty much feeling finished with it. There was a lot of money put into it and I'm trying not to feel the guilt of not squeezing every cent spent on it because I still had fun, fun with friends, etc. That's more or less why feeling like I can come back to it some day (maybe when they add support for their anticheat :P) matters somewhat. It's a materialistic answer, but one that I do believe supports the idea behind why its all considered a long con.
There's something weird about gamers, they seem to feel entitled that every game that's marketed need to be tailor-made to them.
They need to learn that it's fine if they don't like the game, they can just move on and play something that they do like. Not everything is for everybody.
@BrodieOnLinux Yeah, the campaign is short but cool, and the online modes have enough for a few dozen hours of fun with friends. It looks fantastic as well.
Of course, I’m a giant Warhammer nerd, so my expectations were met in the first 5 minutes 😂
@thelinuxEXP A few things...
Mostly because it has a multiyear roadmap, online focus and marketing placing it, so therefor it is one.
The recent massive flow on effect of players joing from other games due to various various issues in other live services like the end of a 10 year story in Destiny's case or Sony's and Bungie poor handling of Helldivers 2 and Destiny has likely created an appetite to feed the specificvoid these games used to serve.
From what I've heard as a passive obsever completely unfamiliar with WH 2K universe and Space Marine 2 beyond whispers, much of the complaints so to be around janky balance the discourages doing anything but one thing to the point of not being fun or punishing trying different approaches. Which seems to be a fair call to balance coming as someone who loaths sweats who demand balance in PvE games.
@Flux But they don’t market it as « this is your new COD ». They just said they were going to add a few things.
That doesn’t mean this is a game that will be supported for 10 years, it doesn’t mean it should have daily balance patches. Just because the devs have plans for the current multiplayer offering doesn’t mean they want that to be the main focus, and it doesn’t mean it aims to compete with live service games.
I think its the company managers that are pushing live service games because its way more profitable. People just have gotten used to it.
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