Unclear from reporting how they were triggered. Some possibilities include:
- completely offline (all the compromised pagers were pre-programmed to beep and explode at a particular time)
- a broadcast signal (possibly sent by a high power transmitter controlled by Israel) that all the devices were programed to respond to
- individually addressed messages to each of the pagers (less likely, since that would take a while to go through).
My guess is the first.
The plot continues to thicken, with another wave of exploding devices reported among Hezbollah members around Lebanon today. This time, it appears to include walkie-talkie-type radios. I've not yet found reliable reports of specific models of radios, so it's hard to even speculate yet on how these might have been triggered - possibly over the air, but also possibly with a pre-set timer.
What's clear is that Hezbollah's supply chain problem is even worse than it seemed yesterday.
On the latest round of explosions, so far I've found a couple photos of a mangled Icom model V82 walkie-talkie, a discontinued (but still widely available around the world in counterfeited form) commercial analog two-way radio.
But it's unclear if that's the only type of device that exploded today, and it's also possible that the various photos I've seen are all of the same individual radio. Still haven't seen good authoritative reports of the scope and scale of todays wave of explosions.
Walkie-talkie radios differ from pagers in several relevant ways here. First, they're larger, and so have room to hide more explosive material; some of the images I've seen show damaged buildings, suggesting larger explosions than we saw with the pagers.
Second, walkie-talkies aren't generally carried around all the time the way pagers are. They typically spend a lot of time off and sitting in a charger, possibly near other radios. This is also consistent with the images of damaged buildings.
Some new details reported in this NYT article (gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/world/middleeast/israel-exploding-pagers-hezbollah.html?unlocked_article_code=1.L04.bSZU.vUhf54b0cGP_&smid=url-share)
This fills in some gaps, assuming it's accurate (caveat here, given anonymous, presumably motivated sources):
- The pagers were manufactured by a Hungary-based Israeli shell company and used a special battery containing PETN.
- The explosions were trigged in real time, but no details about the specific triggering mechanism.
- No details about how the exploding walkie-talkies worked or how they were inserted.
After another day, the contrast between the large amount of information known/leaked about the pagers and the paucity of detail about the radios is even more conspicuous to me.
Most of the detail about the pager attack (shell companies, explosives built into batteries, etc) appears to have come directly from Israel, which benefits from advertising that it had this capability now that it's burned. But the radios likely exploited a different channel, probably one they still want to protect.
And we know almost NOTHING about how the radios were compromised, not even insider speculation. We don't even know that it was a supply chain attack in the sense that the pagers were.
My guess, with no inside information, is that the radios may have been compromised with the help of a recruited agent working for Hezbollah and still inside Lebanon. That's obviously not something you'd want to draw attention to if you're Israel.
An important tl;dr takeaway from this whole story: These explosions were not caused by a software bug or cyberattack that could be arbitrarily repeated against ordinary pagers, radios, or phones. This was an extremely sophisticated, at least somewhat risky, and definitely expensive intelligence and sabotage operation that involved covertly getting special devices rigged with explosives into the hands of Hezbollah affiliates.
In other words, no one can just type a command to blow up your phone.
A bit more info has come out about the exploding walkie-talkies: according to a Lebanese source in this article, several battery packs exploded that were not attached to radios. That suggests that the radios themselves were likely not tampered with, and that the rogue battery packs were self-contained bombs, with an integrated trigger that didn’t rely on the host radio.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/batteries-walkie-talkies-exploded-lebanon-104205874.html
Ultimately, the interesting part of this whole story isn't the specifics of how the explosives worked. It's not particularly surprising that a county like Israel could manufacture and conceal explosives (and a trigger, etc) inside working 2-way radio battery packs or pocket pagers.
The truly sophisticated and frightening capability here is injecting those rigged devices, at scale, into their (presumably also sophisticated) adversary's hands without being noticed.
@mattblaze @mhkohne @jamesmarshall
Bunnie hypothesizes that one could make a battery containing explosives that could not be detected by common scanners
https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/2024/turning-everyday-gadgets-into-bombs-is-a-bad-idea/
Bunnie Huang posted a discussion about Lithium ion battery manufacturing, and how easy it would have been to put undetectable explosives into the battery package.
https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/2024/turning-everyday-gadgets-into-bombs-is-a-bad-idea/
He thinks it might be possible to detect the PETN explosive layer, but that would require specialized equipment (fancy CT machine) that can't be be operated at airport security check speeds.
@mattblaze The whole story reminds me an awful lot of Le Carré's Little Drummer Girl
@richard_merren @space_wrangler @mattblaze pagers were also used by civillians , including doctors and bus drivers and children. I'm sure Mossad was aware of this and decided to blow them up anyway. This was indiscriminate and terroristy.
Everyday objects have been turned into bombs. My analysis indicates this supply chain attack is surprisingly easy to do, yet hard to detect: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/2024/turning-everyday-gadgets-into-bombs-is-a-bad-idea/
@DoctorBrodsky @space_wrangler @mattblaze The protocols about booby traps (the basis of these spurious accusations) are not even remotely related to this situation. You are a sucker for propaganda.
The booby trap protocol is being violated on a regular basis by Hamas, but there are no cries about war crimes such as this against Israel happening daily by Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Because you don't actually care about war crimes--just about finding another chance to criticize Israel.
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