Replace cars with velomobiles

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Speed record of a velomobile: 144 km/h https://www.aerovelo.com/eta-speedbike [https://www.aerovelo.com/eta-speedbike] We don’t need any knew infrastructure, we just need to get cars out of the way [https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2009/10/cars-out-of-the-way/]

Both the velomobile and the electric bicycle increase the limited range of the cyclist – the former optimises aerodynamics and ergonomics, while the latter assists muscle power with an electric motor fuelled by a battery.

The electric velomobile combines both approaches, and so maximises the range of the cyclist – so much so that it is able to replace most, if not all, automobile trips.

Why aren’t we all driving around in these things?

They don’t sell them in “hide my insecurities” sizes.
In Sweden people generally dont drive around in dinosaur-sized car, but they have been increasing lately. Yesterday I had my first personal experience of how much of an issue they are. I was in line for a left-turn in a crossing and noticed that the last car from the opposite side was also gonna turn left. The 2 cars in front of me already crossed the road and head left, i drive forward just a moment later than the huge RAM from the other side and notice a Nissan Micra that is heading straight towards me instead of turning. It was completely hidden behind the monster car and neither me nor the drivers in front of me in my lane had noticed it. Cars of that size not only endanger pedestrians by not seeing them but also obscure general traffic scenarios. They should not be allowed on the street tbh…
Because both Cars i own were cheaper than buying one of those, atleast where iam. I quite literally can’t afford one.
I didn’t check the price before … Yeah here in germany you’d get, a pedal only version, for around 12.000 Euros
The niceley used one without Battery is 6k.
someone could buy multiple used cars for that price.
I wished we would just tax the environment destroying vehicles to subsidize these velomobils. Another idea would be to include them in car-sharing offerings. I don’t need to own one, but I would love to rent it once in a while.
If I lived in a city, I’d love one of those! I live right out in the sticks, and it’s worrying enough meeting a big vehicle down the lanes on a bike, so being wider and lower is terrifying. I had a go on a recumbent bike a while ago, and would have bought it if it weren’t for the feeling of permanently being about to be squashed by a kid in a tractor. An electric-assisted recumbent trike that looks like a spaceship, and has room for some shopping would be mint anywhere else though!
Velomobiles are neat but the idea is more practically executed in something like the Electrom LEV
Seems like a neat thing! Is it $20,000?
I think it’s around 10k but they’re trying to get it lower
This seems like something you don’t want to use on a road with cars. Otherwise it looks neat!
There’s nothing, except maybe a tank, that I would want to use on a road with other cars/tanks.
Nice, had no idea these existed.
At what point is it just a car pretending to be a bike? You can’t take a velomobile inside with you, so you’ll need a parking lot. They can’t take tight corners like bikes, skateboards, scooters, or other methods of personal transportation.
The Velomobile: High-tech Bike or Low-tech Car?

The human power required to achieve a speed of 30 km/h in a velomobile is only 79 watts, compared to 271 watts on a normal bicycle.

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the biomass powered motor, also known as the driver

okay that’s funny

I feel there’s probably some reasons they haven’t become popular.

  • Don’t turn as nimbly as a bike

  • Can’t put them on your shoulder and carry them indoors, onto a train, etc. like as a bike

  • Don’t climb hills as well as a bike (source)

  • 20× the cost of a bike, maybe that could be brought down by economies of scale if they were more popular

I could imagine a velomobile being preferable if you’re commuting from a satellite town to the city, and the journey consists of a long straight road.

I’d definitely say they’re worse for getting around the city, and their comparative advantages are bought at the price of significant extra overhead.

I’m not sure the bike is the accurate comparison target compared to the scooter or car for commuting. Also, I think the main reason they are not so popular is laws. I think there was another article on solar.lowtechmagazine where this was discussed, but from my fuzzy memory, the issue there is not yet a separate category for these kinds of high speed limit, electrical assistance vehicles. You either have to use it like a bike, in which case in many countries you are not allowed to go past a low set speed limit (something like 30 km/h) with elecrical assistance, or you have to register the vehicle to be in the category of motorbikes, in which case you are subject to the same rules, like having a license plate, needing to get your vehicle checked at the garage every year and other things. Maybe try to find the article, it will be better explained.

You should discount all impairments caused by oil industry lawfare against velomobiles.

…quora.com/Lawfare-against-tiny-cars-velomobiles

Lawfare against tiny cars (velomobiles)

Pedal-electric cars are crippled by law, have been for decades. This was likely not an accident. The laws seem to have been engineered and lobbied by the car industry to sabotage their most potential competitor: medium speed tiny ultra light electric car for short commutes. This type of conspirac...

Quora
The oil industry didn’t legally manipulate velomobiles into having a wide turning circle
The idea of needing specialized transport as an individual beyond just walking is a failure of society. Replacing cars with “not-cars” isn’t really helping that aspect. You should be structuring society so that cars or “not-cars” have no need to exist for almost everyone.
The transition needs to be easy for adoption to happen though. I think first replacing cars with not-cars, and only then scaling cities to be more walkable makes sense.
I don’t see how going from car to proper city planning is any harder than going from not-car to proper city planning. This just feels like an extra unnecessary step that could be taking resources away from the city planning part.

If you make a city hostile to cars first, people will still have their cars and their commutes, it will just double the time it takes for them to get anywhere. You will lose support for any further changes.

If you replace the cars first, such that no one’s daily schedules are significantly altered, and then condense the cities, then the change might be less jarring for those who can’t weather dramatic changes in their lifestyle.

If you replace the cars first, such that no one’s daily schedules are significantly altered,

Is that going to happen if you replace cars with another vehicle that still requires car infrastructure?

it shouldn’t, should it? Switch an ICE for electric, as long as the travel the same distance and meet the same use cases, the only lifestyle change would be the expense.
I’d be happy just having bikes be viable as an individualized transportation method. I’d much rather a 30-minute bike ride than a car ride every day
I rode my bike instead of driving today. It took twice as long, and the hills kicked my ass, but I felt amazing afterwards. Evem hours later I am still riding the endorphin high. Hearing traffic used to give me anxiety, but I used noise cancelling earbuds so I could listen to an audio book and that made a huge difference
It’ll take years to build that high density housing. And several generations to convince everyone to move into it. In the mean time, it’d be good to use velo mobiles for transportation from suburb to suburb.

Someone versed in urban ecosystems could chime in better, because there’s gotta be proper terms for city to city transport, city to neighborhood, neighborhood to street, street to home.

Bikes or some kind of personal vehicle are still probably necessary to get you from city to home, because they can’t put train stations next to every house (unless they figure out how to shoot us through tubes or something).

Do they make some for hauling things (say a weeks with of groceries or sheets of drywall)?
What is a quadracycle electric cargo bike?

Electric cargo bike manufacturer VOK is intending to implement real change for the rapid growth of cargo bikes through their innovative looking quadracycles, as they become true sustainable and economically viable alternatives for many van trips.

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That’s totally different from a velomobile. Did you read the article?
Is there open source designs for this?

Kinda. There’s a subreddit with people making fiberglass shells to strap to their off- the- shelf recumbent bikes. Converting a recumbent into an ebike is well documented online.

Adaik there isnt a 1 stop comprehensive plan to build a velomobile.

But what are the licenses?
But why are the liscenses

They also have e-scooters now that can do like 80 mph / 130 km/h .

This wiki page on Efficiency of transport is really well done. But if you sort by km / MJ, e-scooters and bikes are the most efficient forms of transport.

Energy efficiency in transport - Wikipedia

Few people find the bicycle useful for distances longer than 5 km (3 miles). In the USA, for instance, 85% of bicycle trips involve a trip of less than 5 km. Even in the Netherlands, the most bicycle-friendly country in the western world, 77% of bike trips are less than 5 km. Only 1% of Dutch bicycle trips are more than 15 km (9 miles).

This is extremely disingenuous. For reference, over half of all car trips in the US are also less than 5km. The reason people don’t use bicycles in the US for longer trips is not because “few people find the bicycle useful”, but because most of the roads here are designed for cars. Going far on a bike is a death trap in the US. There’s also the fact that if an area is bikeable, you usually don’t need to bike far because you don’t live in suburban hell. This does not make the bike less useful. In fact, it’s more useful because it doesn’t take as long to get to your destination if it’s nearby.

In contrast, the average car trip amounts to 15.5 km in the USA and 16.5 km in the Netherlands, with the average trip to work being 19.5 km in the USA and 22 km in the Netherlands.

Again, disingenuous. In the Netherlands, what fraction of those 22km trips are taken by train or bus?

The electric motor can be used to reach a destination faster, or with less effort, but the cyclist remains unprotected from the weather.

Or, more importantly, the cyclist remains unprotected from cagers (i.e., car drivers).

Overall, this article was frustrating in that it was trying to sell some “alternative to bikes” but the author didn’t really seem to understand the advantages/problems bikes have.

this looks unsafe as fuck
Well, unsafe if there are cars all around you. But if we replaced a lot of cars with these vehicles which typically go around 40 to 70 km/h cruise speed, I think it would become way safer than cars.
Just like regular bikes, it depends on how the bike and car lanes are layed out. If you keep them seperate the bike is unlikely to be hit.

separation of bikes and cars are rare in my city/country.

and the main reason i say these look unsafe is that they look way less maneuverable. the nimbleness my bike has helped me avoid pretty gnarly accidents a couple of times before

A colleague of mine has one. They are easy to overlook and he sometimes has pretty bad looking crashes (from the outside) but the chassis themselfs are extremely sturdy and protecting. He slid down a road 25m at one point, crashing into a pole, but only got a bruise from it. Because, and that’s the main point: these things are not going down 50mph, they are at 18mph and the only dangerous parts are intersections where cars are slower anyways

We don’t need any knew infrastructure, we just need to get cars out of the way.

That article speaks to my soul!

Just this past weekend, I rode about 70km each way to see my folks, across 6 or 7 municipalities.

I made it there in about 2.5 hours, across some pretty sketch “not high speed roads, but cars were going high speed anyway”, with much of that having no cycling infrastructure (or shoulders).

What frustrated me most wasn’t the asshole who punished passed me (pickup truck, of course), or the BMW driver who stopped on a raised, protected bike lane to pick up a passenger, but the amount of time I spent at red lights. Over 40 minutes each way!

Had there been a highway for bikes, or even just priority bike intersections, this trip would have taken no time.

Cars suck for everyone!