The fun of AI. Bing's first result for my search "trains brussels to london passport control" gives me a headline "No passport controls" and continues "When traveling by train from Brussels to London, there are no passport controls". But there's also link it gives to a real page which is actually about travelling from Belgium to the *Netherlands*; the third link tells me the truth. There's no way that could bite anyone on the arse, is there?
I think it should be compulsory for all AI-generated content to prominently display this logo (which I generated with the prompt "confused-looking gormless drunk robot")
@brucelawson Yeah... I can speculate reasons but I am not going to I say out loud. But if you go to Copilot, you will see the results are actually helpful
@darrel_miller Sure. But that's why I don't want AI prominently in search engine results (nothing immediately informed me that this was AI), or in a browser.
@darrel_miller (I just checked, there is a so-easy-to-miss-that-I-missed-it info logo, which then puts up a popover to tell me it's AI-generated:
@brucelawson Yup. I am with you there. Opt-in, all the way.

@brucelawson An AI chatbot I tried insisted in reply to several repeat questions that a train station exists near where my mother lives and that every day a train leaves there at 12:37 when the tracks haven't been used in like forty years.

It felt like a reply from an alternate universe and now I suspect "alternate" is what the A in AI really stands for, cf. "alternate facts".

@brucelawson just in case you actually need the info and are not testing the AI (hehehe), there ARE the two sets of consecutive controls (EU and UK) before going to the waiting area. Which incidentally is one of the most unpleasant I have been in a long time. Although that was last year and they were doing building works.
That much I know!
@supersole Thank you, Sole; I do actually need to know! Does it take ages? How much before a train departs do I need?

@brucelawson It didn't take much but we were travelling mid-late afternoon, I think we went to controls ~1h before (I think they don't let you go until a certain amount of time before the train leaves, the wait hall is/was very cramped). I'd just say try not to wait until the last minute!

But if you have time you can do as we did and wait it out in the bar of the hotel upstairs. Much nicer than in the station! See at the bottom of https://food.soledadpenades.com/2023/07/19/wednesday-19-07-2023-trier-to-london-via-luxembourg-and-brussels/

Wednesday, 19/07/2023: Trier to London (via Luxembourg and Brussels)

On our last day, our only non-negotiable goal for the day was to get ourselves moving from train to train all the way to London. Or more exactly, from bus to train to train, as there was a bus repl…

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@brucelawson then just pop downstairs 1 h before the train and voilà!
@supersole @brucelawson I back this up. Did the same journey a few weeks back. An hour before to get through passport control and mandatory waiting time should be fine. Felt that it was a more relaxed experience than doing similar in an airport.
@gazshaw cheers, this is why I'm doing the train; my most recent flights back from USA and Poland were both really stressful. @supersole
@brucelawson @gazshaw @supersole The last few times, my tickets (each way) actually said how much before your departure you should be there. Follow that! :-) (Also, you benefit from getting to St Pancras earlyish, as seating is minimal).
@derickr @brucelawson @gazshaw Agree - St Pancras is even worse than Brussels in terms of the departures hall! It's really oversubscribed. But overall, it is nicer than flying. I wish we could go more places by train.

@supersole @derickr @brucelawson @gazshaw It’s because the Eurostar departures facility was designed without knowing that Brexit would ever be a thing. Passport controls are slower and it can’t cope with the way it’s being expected to work. It’s for this reason that Ebbsfleet and Ashford’s services stopped.

On top of this, the security checks are entirely redundant because they don’t subject Eurotunnel Le Shuttle services to the same scrutiny.

It’s ridiculous.

@katiefenn @supersole @brucelawson @gazshaw I don't think it was really that bad the last two times I went, in the last two months. I am of the opinion that there is not enough space for people to wait past security and passport checks. And this was an issue even before Brexit, both at St Pancras and Gare du Nord.

I have another go this coming week.