BenRiceMSep 6, 2024

I agree with some of @gruber’s points:
- browser ballot pages are likely confusing for many users; being informed of choice != being forced to make a choice
- the EU should more in conversation with Apple about what features are non-compliant

But it misses the forest for the trees:
Apple holds ungodly amount of power over many aspects of daily life. Banking, grocery shopping, dating, communication, art and culture are all mediated by our phones
https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/113091446183508943

Show threadJohn GruberSep 6, 2024
@BenRiceM Putting aside the argument that those things are better under Apple's App Store control than they were before or would be without (at least banking, grocery shopping, and communication -- I can't speak to dating in recent decades), the DMA, thus far, has reduced absolutely none of Apple's control other than being able to play Fortnite on iOS devices in the EU again.
Show threadCasey LissSep 6, 2024
@gruber @BenRiceM Delta has entered the chat.
Show threadJohn GruberSep 7, 2024
@caseyliss @BenRiceM The DMA resulting in Apple reconsidering its policy on game emulators is a happy side effect, but the fact is we have Delta in the App Store now. And I think if you asked Vestager for 100 goals of the DMA, “game emulators in the App Store" wouldn't have made the list.
Show threadCasey LissSep 7, 2024

@gruber @BenRiceM Sure, but I _do_ think the goal is “ensure Apple’s customers more choice and stop Apple from standing in their way”.

If that's the ultimate goal — regardless of the _how_ — then I think the DMA is [marginally] successful so far.

Show threadJohn GruberSep 7, 2024

@caseyliss @BenRiceM What is the success so far other than giving access in the EU to a game that was fined $245M for swindling children out of in-app purchases?

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/03/ftc-finalizes-order-requiring-fortnite-maker-epic-games-pay-245-million-tricking-users-making

FTC Finalizes Order Requiring Fortnite maker Epic Games to Pay $245 Million for Tricking Users into Making Unwanted Charges

The Federal Trade Commission has finalized an order requiring Epic Games, the maker of the Fortnite video game, to pay $245 million to consumers to settle charges that the c

Federal Trade Commission
Show threadRiley Testut Sep 7, 2024
@gruber @caseyliss @BenRiceM the DMA pressured Apple to allow emulators and virtual machines worldwide, and people in the EU can now use clipboard managers and torrent clients? I’m confused why you’re only counting Fortnite
Show threadJohn GruberSep 7, 2024

@rileytestut @caseyliss @BenRiceM The clipboard managers (well, manager, singular — yours!) that I’ve tried are still completely crippled in terms of being automatic. It’s the APIs and life cycle on iOS that prevent real Mac-style clipboard managers, not the App Store.

What are the torrent clients I should look at?

(Also: torrent clients are not exactly a mainstream use case.)

Show threadMichaelSep 7, 2024

@gruber @rileytestut @caseyliss
@BenRiceM

Ok so, to recap — emulators, more video games, clipboard managers, torrent clients, alt store payment methods (i.e. Patreon)… and it’s only been 6 months. But it’s ok to pass judgement now, apps don’t take long to make, I mean look at what’s happened in 6 months! All the apps we have now were made in the first 6 months of 2008 too.

Show threadVille Turpeinen

@party @gruber @rileytestut @caseyliss @BenRiceM
Game streaming apps.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24050430/apple-app-store-game-streaming

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/21/24183027/antstream-emulator-apple-iphone-retro-games-ipad-streaming

Apple opens App Store to game streaming services

Apple is making changes that will allow game streaming services like Xbox Cloud Gaming and GeForce Now to be featured in its App Store.

The Verge
Sep 7, 2024 at 4:14pmWeb