BenRiceMSep 6, 2024

I agree with some of @gruber’s points:
- browser ballot pages are likely confusing for many users; being informed of choice != being forced to make a choice
- the EU should more in conversation with Apple about what features are non-compliant

But it misses the forest for the trees:
Apple holds ungodly amount of power over many aspects of daily life. Banking, grocery shopping, dating, communication, art and culture are all mediated by our phones
https://mastodon.social/@daringfireball/113091446183508943

Show threadJohn GruberSep 6, 2024
@BenRiceM Putting aside the argument that those things are better under Apple's App Store control than they were before or would be without (at least banking, grocery shopping, and communication -- I can't speak to dating in recent decades), the DMA, thus far, has reduced absolutely none of Apple's control other than being able to play Fortnite on iOS devices in the EU again.
Show threadCasey LissSep 6, 2024
@gruber @BenRiceM Delta has entered the chat.
Show threadJohn GruberSep 7, 2024
@caseyliss @BenRiceM The DMA resulting in Apple reconsidering its policy on game emulators is a happy side effect, but the fact is we have Delta in the App Store now. And I think if you asked Vestager for 100 goals of the DMA, “game emulators in the App Store" wouldn't have made the list.
Show threadCasey LissSep 7, 2024

@gruber @BenRiceM Sure, but I _do_ think the goal is “ensure Apple’s customers more choice and stop Apple from standing in their way”.

If that's the ultimate goal — regardless of the _how_ — then I think the DMA is [marginally] successful so far.

Show threadJaime CreixemsSep 7, 2024

@caseyliss @gruber @BenRiceM but it’s not.

I don’t have the choice to mirror my phone to my Mac.

I don’t have the choice to have an assistant the understand my personal context.

But I can install Fortnite, I guess.

I’m getting a worse product than the rest of the world gets, and have no choice over that.

Show threadSylvain G.Sep 7, 2024
@webjac @caseyliss @gruber @BenRiceM oh please. Eu is a false excuse here. Apple already announced that Apple Intelligence would not be ready until next year. This year is an English-only beta for US only. They just put the blame on Eu for a choice they made. You won’t sell me that this is not a way to make customers angry on Eu
Show threadJohn Gruber
@sgamel @webjac @caseyliss @BenRiceM (a) Explain the iPhone Screen Sharing thing, (b) what do you see as the point of Apple making EU customers angry?
Sep 7, 2024 at 2:51pmIvory for iOS
Show threadSylvain G.Sep 7, 2024
@gruber @webjac @caseyliss @BenRiceM well. Show me the DMA article mentioning that screen sharing could be a violation of DMA. I’m not 100% sure it exists, but _if_ this article exists, that mean Apple _choosed_ to just ignore it when they worked on this feature
Show threadSylvain G.Sep 7, 2024
@gruber @webjac @caseyliss @BenRiceM That clearly not the first time they keep some API private until they refine enough to make them public (or not). But this is their call and they now blame the EU for that?
DMA is far from perfect, but it cannot be a generic excuse :)