Michael Gemar@AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law When NASA built its own stuff it lost 40% of the Shuttles.
Beeks@Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law NASA doing its own stuff was not a panacea — there were serious safety problems, as well as costs, and of course all the vehicles and launchers were actually built by existing private aerospace companies, not NASA. I would *love* for NASA to not be reliant on a fascist’s company. But Boeing has not done well, and no one else has stepped up.
@michaelgemar @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law they were doing it when it had never been done before. Had we the political will to continue to fund them appropriately I'm certain they could have achieved greater success.
@Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law The Space Launch System is done the old way (cost-plus contracts, NASA owned and operated), and it is *hugely* expensive.
@michaelgemar @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law doing what's never been done is expensive. Doing what's good for humanity is expensive. Tax payers foot the bill regardless, may as well let them retain control IMO.
@Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law SLS was designed to use Shuttle components, so it *had* been done before.
@michaelgemar @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law look, Mike I get it. Reagan talked a good game. But it's 4 decades later and the proof is in the pudding. We got scammed. The private sector is always worse for humanity.
@Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law Musk is a fascist ass, but SpaceX is putting people into space for *vastly* less than any prior launch provider, public or private. One could instead argue that NASA has become a pork barrel for politicians to spread cash all across the US, and especially to the pockets of enormous aerospace companies (which are often also defense contractors). SLS sure looks like that.
Enyel of the Saintanne@michaelgemar @Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law right now SpaceX is still growing in the markets due to memes and hype. The second that well dries up, it will go the way of Boeing as investors demand their quarterly growth. Space is *quite* expensive.
Ohsin@michaelgemar @Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law Thanks for bringing some sanity in this thread Mike.
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"SpaceX is putting people into space for *vastly* less than any prior launch provider, public or private."
Private companies muscle into government work all the time with your claim. Then they get control, prices and risk goes up, innovation and results go down.
But hey, if you want to believe past performance is a predictor of future performance, dream on.
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@michaelgemar you’re 1980s arguments for defunding NASA are logically unsound, factually hard to support and contemporarily irrelevant. All of your comments on this thread are fallacy or whine.
@michaelgemar @Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law every single post has the underlying, false, implication that NASA space exploration is too expensive.
Also, interesting you refuse to take the hint and stop posting unsupported and unsupportable negativity.
You actually used a “musk is fascist but” argument. Maybe seriously consider taking your pro-fascist stances to servers that allow that (unlike these).
D Ingram@michaelgemar @Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law And SLS is not done well. Very concerning quality issues. https://oig.nasa.gov/office-of-inspector-general-oig/nasas-management-of-space-launch-system-block-1b-development/
johnny anhedonic@michaelgemar do you know how much money would be saved if factories didn't have to install things like guardrails? let's do that, but for space travel.
Martin Piper (he/him) 💙💛🌻💉@michaelgemar @Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law can you put a precise figure in those costs you alluded to? Then explain what is a reasonable cost per astronaut to keep them safer? Then explain what safety measures it would improve?
@martin_piper @Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law What vehicle are you asking about? Spacex’s Crew Dragon costs NASA $88 million a seat, and has been an extremely reliable vehicle, having done 13 launches for NASA and private missions. The Space Shuttle cost an average of $1.64 billion per launch, and the SLS is estimated to cost $2.5 billion per launch.
@martin_piper @Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law And the safety problems with Shuttle weren’t about cost — both disasters were avoidable (and people raised alarms prior to those mission failures).
Arguably the Shuttle design was inherently flawed in that the side-mounted orbiter with its fragile tiles was in the path of any shed debris.
@[email protected] @Beeks @AnnemarieBridy @icymi_law you didn't answer the questions... As I thought you don't have a good argument.
The shuttle development and the price per seat is not what you claim. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_program ) Also there is a huge tangible difference between owning the vehicles and technology and just renting a seat, which you failed to account for. Also the work by NASA helped to improve scientific research which benefits the public.
The shuttle development and the price per seat is not what you claim. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_program ) Also there is a huge tangible difference between owning the vehicles and technology and just renting a seat, which you failed to account for. Also the work by NASA helped to improve scientific research which benefits the public.
