You’re right: we should be socialists and have governments like the PRC, North Korea, the ex-USSR, Cuba, Hoxhua’s Albania, or the Stalinists in Spain during their civil war. Say what you will about the Khmer Rouge and Sendero Luminoso, but they weren’t centrists or moderates.

PRC, North Korea, the ex-USSR, Cuba, Hoxhua’s Albania, or the Stalinists in Spain during their civil war

What?

Why are you using rightwing dictatorships that lie about what they are. Instead of the actual socialist countries in Europe?

What actual socialist countries in Europe?

cambridge.org/…/9919C742691605DE158C13394E416349

I think part of the problem here, is you don’t understand socialism is an economic system.

And before you say “someone has to enforce it”, yeah, that’s how society works man. People have to enforce capitalism too, if you need examples of that, well…

That’s an article from 1950, perhaps not so relevant anymore today.

Not to say socialism isn’t a strong influence in many European countries, though I wouldn’t go so far as to call a European country as being primarily economically and politically “socialist”. Democratic socialism maybe, but that is much more of a centrist set of policies than the outright goal of a workers-owning-the-means-of-production economy. Just my 2c.

perhaps not so relevant anymore today.

Take your pick:

www.lifeinnorway.net/scandinavian-socialism/

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_socialism#Euro…

oxfordbibliographies.com/…/obo-9780199756223-0022…

…yahoo.com/…/top-15-democratic-socialist-countrie…

worldpopulationreview.com/…/democratic-socialist-…

than the outright goal of a workers-owning-the-means-of-production economy. Just my 2c.

history.com/…/socialism-communism-differences