Beaver [she/her]Aug 19, 2024

Lemmy world vegan community - hostile takeover

https://lemmy.ca/post/27276366

Lemmy world vegan community - hostile takeover - Lemmy.ca

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218551 [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218551] > cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218550 [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26218550] > > > (posting to both communities) > > > > A carnist lemmy world instance admin has stepped in and meatsplained to the mods while restoring comments that violated the community’s rules. They deleted comments that they did not agree with, citing ‘misinformation’, and threatened to demod the mods if those comments were removed again. The comments were deleted and the admin was banned from the community as per violating the rules of the community, that was until they unbanned themselves (admin abuse) and unmodded two of the moderators because of “promoting harmfull actions against pets”. > > > > As far as it stands, if the lemmy world community wasn’t already not a safe vegan place for you (it really wasn’t) it most certainly isn’t now as carnists (lemmy world instance admin) currently mod it. > > > > I suggest any vegan who wants a safe and welcoming space to come and interact with vegantheoryclub.org [http://vegantheoryclub.org]. Sorry for any inconvienance that this may have caused. I am deeply upset at the admins actions today and don’t condone them whatsoever. > > > > > > [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/1b82385c-c446-42ca-9a0d-916459b78da9.webp] > > > > > > [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/096ca2da-9e4c-426d-ae5e-f21d0ba48a75.webp]

Show threadCarroladeAug 19, 2024
I think @[email protected] owes an explanation and apology. It’s fine to be invested in animal welfare, but if one learns that one is factually incorrect, then admitting it openly is the mature and responsible thing to do.
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Show threadRookiAug 19, 2024
edit: Edited my response in the original post.
Show threadCarroladeAug 19, 2024

We live in a day where a healthy diet can be fully synthesized, even for a human. I think the claim that a cat cannot flourish under one requires strict scrutiny and proper links to scientific articles demonstrating this finding.

edit: Because we do have evidence indicating such a diet is not harmful, so evidence that disputes this would need to exist.

www.mdpi.com/2306-7381/10/1/52

edit2: Another thing that occured to me that may help shed light on this: Humans have to eat food in order to survive, yes?

No, actually. We can hook you up to an IV and keep you alive for as long as we need by pumping the necessary nutrients directly into your bloodstream, bypassing your digestive tract altogether. We call this intravenous feeding.

The Impact of Vegan Diets on Indicators of Health in Dogs and Cats: A Systematic Review

There has been an increase in vegetarianism and veganism in human populations. This trend also appears to be occurring in companion animals, with guardians preferring to feed their animals in accordance with their own dietary values and choices. However, there has been controversy amongst vets and online commentators about the safety of feeding vegan diets to carnivorous species, such as cats and dogs. In spite of this controversy, to date there has been no systematic evaluation of the evidence on this topic. A systematic search of Medline, Scopus, and Web of Science was performed, identifying 16 studies on the impact of vegan diets on cat and dog health. Studies were appraised for quality using established critical appraisal tools or reporting guidelines. There was considerable heterogeneity in the outcomes measured, and study designs employed, with few studies evaluating key outcomes of interest. Grading of Recommendations, Assessment, Development and Evaluation (GRADE) was utilized for assessment of certainty in the evidence, with the evidence for most outcomes being assessed as low or very low. Whilst the quality and amount of evidence needs to be considered in formulating recommendations, there was no overwhelming evidence of adverse effects arising from use of these diets and there was some evidence of benefits. It is, however, recommended that future high-quality studies, with standardized outcome measures and large sample sizes, be conducted. At the current time, if guardians wish to feed their companion animals vegan diets, a cautious approach should be taken using commercially produced diets which have been formulated considering the nutritional needs of the target species.

MDPI
Show threadArmok: God of BloodAug 20, 2024
I had to be on IV feeding for a month last year and it felt like I was starving because I wasn’t getting any calories. I lost 20 kg in 2 weeks, despite the fact I was confined to a bed 24 hours.
Show threadCarroladeAug 20, 2024

What were you in for? Sounds to me like someone was pinching pennies on you, since there’s nothing stopping them from including the sugars and aminos your body needs.

Or maybe they thought you were overweight or something, but I’d think that’d be malpractice.

Show threadArmok: God of BloodAug 20, 2024
Gallstones turned into sepsis and pancreatitis
Show threadCarrolade
Yikes, didn’t know gallstones could do that. Glad you made it, sepsis is life threatening.
Aug 20, 2024 at 8:47pmWeb
Show threadArmok: God of BloodAug 20, 2024
I went to the ER and the doctor said “You are dying,” which I took as a bad sign.
Show threadCarroladeAug 21, 2024

Yes, that would not be good news.

I wonder if that’s why you lost so much weight. Sepsis is bacteria in your bloodstream, and I can see pumping sugars into someone’s bloodstream when it has bacteria present as being a bad idea. 2 weeks to eliminate the infection sounds like a long time though, unless they ran into issues with unexpected antibiotic resistance.