The Picard ManeuverI wish there were more like him in the industry
Maven (famous)Well… He did more than that…
He also would join up with one of the male writers (who eventually got fired for sexual harassment stuff) specifically to team up against the female writers.
He was also extremely disrespectful of all of the female members of the crew. It got so bad he was fired from the Witcher AND the DCU movies.
Like yes… He cared a lot about the source material and so he fought for it… But the only people he fought were women and the only people he became friends with were sexually harassing women.
PistcowSource?
I’d seen this all multiple places before but doing a quick search here is a source on the most recent round of Netflix and superman stuff
Personally I think a lot of this is overblown. Specifically the not wanting shirtless scenes and stuff is a personal thing that’s up to the comfort of the actor. The bits I don’t like are harassing women and his previous comments about the MeToo movement which make me far more likely to believe the current accusations against him.
'An actor that nobody wants to work with anymore': Netflix Leak Branding Henry Cavill a 'Misogynist Toxic Gamer' Reportedly Made the Superman Actor Kryptonite to Big Studios
A source revealed that Henry Cavill was fired from the Witcher due to his toxic behavior with women. He would overwrite the showrunners decision.
K. First time seeing this site and the media bias is more like bullshit clickbait. Dude is passionate about source material and willing to walk when they make that bullshit season 3.
Admittedly I did not do a lot of digging for the best source and instead just skimmed and saw it summarizing the stuff I’d heard before. The original information comes from a podcast but instead of sourcing the podcast, the article decided to source a reddit thread which was just a transcript of the podcast… Bad journalism and I should’ve found a better source to site here. Either way, the original transcript is shown in the article.
schloppahDon’t spread rumors about people without proof
I mean the original transcript is in the article and it’s a primary source. I just sent a link that poorly sourced the original podcast. It’s not really a lack of proof and more so that the article is poorly displaying the proof we have.
Yeah sorry I got heated I was having a bad moment and overblew things in my head.
You’re all good :D this turned into a much more heated conversation in general and I also apologize for starting it. I should’ve included the primary source in the original message in the first place either way.
LOL this is the fourth “I have seen it in multiple places” yet keep posting the same sketchy source over and over…
Replying to everyone who asked with a source with the source was the best way to make sure everyone who wanted to be notified was notified. Not everyone is going to return to the original comment to look for an edit.
And now you’ve seen it (that same one anonymous unsubstantiated source) in multiple places too!
Their bias and a wildly suspicious source that’s pretty much the podcast my best friend once removed’s half-sister’s uncle listens to
I’m just sayin’ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That’s the first I’ve heard of that. Don’t think he was fired from DCU, Gunn just wanted a fresh start is what I heard.
ipodjockeyHmmmm you got some primary sources for those claims? Not saying you are wrong. It’s just the first time I’ve heard this.
He’s missing the “controversy” section on his Wikipedia. Which is my litmus test of how big are your red flags
Huh? So a lack of mention of controversy with sources to back it up is a red flag to you? Weird.
Yeah, that Gene Wilder is an asshole because he doesn’t have “controversy” in his wiki.
No, you’re reading that backwards somehow. A lack of controversy section shows that there are no good sources and the red flags are not that big.
You’re right, apologies.
I’d seen this all multiple places before but doing a quick search here is a source on the most recent round of Netflix and superman stuff
Personally I think a lot of this is overblown. Specifically the not wanting shirtless scenes and stuff is a personal thing that’s up to the comfort of the actor. The bits I don’t like are harassing women and his previous comments about the MeToo movement which make me far more likely to believe the current accusations against him.
'An actor that nobody wants to work with anymore': Netflix Leak Branding Henry Cavill a 'Misogynist Toxic Gamer' Reportedly Made the Superman Actor Kryptonite to Big Studios
A source revealed that Henry Cavill was fired from the Witcher due to his toxic behavior with women. He would overwrite the showrunners decision.
posting the same link over and over doesn’t really help your case bud
I replied to each comment that asked for a source with a source. Seemed like the best way to make sure everyone that wanted to be notified got notified.
pancakesThe commenter asked for a primary source, which I’m also interested in. Does one exist?
Yes, I included it in the original comment in an edit but just in case that was missed, I’ll also include it here.
This is an excerpt from a podcast in which someone from the set described their experience:
This was also mentioned in the article but honestly they did such a poor job showcasing it I’m not surprised it was missed at all.
TheLowestStoneThe primary source is a leaked podcast script from a podcast run by an anonymous celebrity gossip Instagram account which was posted on reddit. This is basically the journalist equivalent to using 4chan green-text as a citation. The article, which fails to verify anything, is a year and a half old and not a soul related to the production has corroborated any part of it in that time.
No official statement was made about why Cavill is no longer on The Witcher. I wouldn’t doubt that he was being difficult on set considering his love of the source material and how little the show respected it. I also wouldn’t be surprised to find out his contract just ran out and neither party was interested in renegotiating.
James Gunn has specificly said, on thar record, that Cavill wasn’t fired. The next Super Man is just going to be younger. After how badly Black Adam flopped, I’m not surprised they’re taking the DCU in a different direction.
So he was, according to one claim, disrespectful to the people who were disrespecting fans and his wishes to make a faithful adaptation.
I see no problems here.
Oh and saying it’s a ‘problem’ that he didn’t want to perform sex scenes for misandrist show runner and writers isn’t a negative. He stood up for himself.
I 100% agree with that last part. I think it’s a good thing he stood up for himself and how he wanted to be displayed/treated on screen.
SundrayI had a brief look around and these accusations seem to originally come up in a leaked script for an episode of the Duexmoi gossip podcast. Some of the responses to the accusations can be found in this Vulture article, but there’s not a lot in it. As they state, “everybody involved in The Witcher is […] playing nice on the record.” So… *shrug*. Very disappointing if true, but no one’s confirming anything…
I’ve seen some accusations, which other (also female) members of cast/crew pretty much disprove. So I will echo others - source?
I’d seen this all multiple places before but doing a quick search here is a source on the most recent round of Netflix and superman stuff
Personally I think a lot of this is overblown. Specifically the not wanting shirtless scenes and stuff is a personal thing that’s up to the comfort of the actor. The bits I don’t like are harassing women and his previous comments about the MeToo movement which make me far more likely to believe the current accusations against him.
'An actor that nobody wants to work with anymore': Netflix Leak Branding Henry Cavill a 'Misogynist Toxic Gamer' Reportedly Made the Superman Actor Kryptonite to Big Studios
A source revealed that Henry Cavill was fired from the Witcher due to his toxic behavior with women. He would overwrite the showrunners decision.
You call it overblown and disapprove… But then keep posting the questionable source.
This is how you get bots to pick up links, and how you start rumors.
I think them being upset about an actor being uncomfortable always being sexualized is overblown.
I think the parts about him harassing women are fine.
hoshikarakitaridiaNo they are not fine in any sense. If they are true, they are awful, but in order to prove them, we need a better source. A PRIMARY source. Some corroborating evidence. Give us something more than 3 layers of hearsay which would be beyond inadmissible in court.
Although you are reciting a source, your source is so indirect and unproven that you’re basically dancing on the line of defamation (although of course no one could give enough of a shit to sue).
Ah, yes. The “toxic gamer” accusations. Yeah. To me that reads like he was not happy with how they handled source material and did his best to fight it (which yeah, not his place to do that, but as someone who also loves Witcher I can relate). And then they tried to spin it as being mysoginyst (they tried so hard to spin itin any way so that he ends up looking bad back then). Also source of the articlebeing Reddit doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence.
After these accusations I remember other articles with fellow female cast members at the least saying things about hin as a person that are in complete oposition to the accusations.
Not saying he is a saint, I don’t idolize him. But it’s hard for me to believe those accusations.
which yeah, not his place to do that, but as someone who also loves Witcher I can relate
Why wouldn’t it be his place to argue for more respect for the source material? or simply a better script?! It is his face in there, instead of an awesome show, we got, well… whatever the hell that was and his face is attached to it forever.
I have no idea about show business but if I sign up to play Dracula and now they tell me the script calls for a Dracula that has no powers and instead is only a genetically diseased person with hardcore anemia, I would probably fight the script as well
From how I see it, he is an actor. He is expected to get a script and act accordingly. Depends on the director and others how open they can be about it and how much freedom the actors get. But I don’t talk from experience.
Now as a Witcher fan, I understand Cavill completely. He cared for source materials and got writers and showrunner who didn’t. Some writers allegedly even actively didn’t like the source material. So of course he would fight it. I can imagine ways that are good, and I can imagine ways that may be stepping out of line from writers perspective.
Most things I saw of him being a great cast member were earlier in his career and this seems to be a very recent thing to happen. I don’t think he’s always been bad in any respect but people do change overtime and America has been increasingly radicalized recently. I’m not surprised that this has happened and it could happen to anyone.
I’m pretty sure the cast members reactions I remember were from Witcher.
Also, if you are a fan of the source material and writers are not (and some actively mock it, allegedly) - I can imagine you being a dick to them - no matter their gender
I would like to read more about this but I don't want to have to sift through BS. Link?
Source: trust me, bro!
I’d seen this all multiple places before but doing a quick search here is a source on the most recent round of Netflix and superman stuff
Personally I think a lot of this is overblown. Specifically the not wanting shirtless scenes and stuff is a personal thing that’s up to the comfort of the actor. The bits I don’t like are harassing women and his previous comments about the MeToo movement which make me far more likely to believe the current accusations against him.
'An actor that nobody wants to work with anymore': Netflix Leak Branding Henry Cavill a 'Misogynist Toxic Gamer' Reportedly Made the Superman Actor Kryptonite to Big Studios
A source revealed that Henry Cavill was fired from the Witcher due to his toxic behavior with women. He would overwrite the showrunners decision.
Were the only people disrespecting the source material those same women?
Article they list as a source certainly suggests that.
Why would you link to an article that just discusses things said on Reddit?
Honestly I’m not sure why it brings up reddit at all since the reddit thread it’s sourcing is just a link to the podcast that started it all. They should’ve just linked to the podcast?? Idk bad sourcing on the articles end.
Seems like everyone agrees that Netflix and the writers behind the show weren’t following the source material very well and were making a lot of bad decisions in terms of show direction.
Cavill is known to want to keep things close to the source material. It seems implied that the “showrunner” and writers were against that attitude, so when he started pushing back, he gets called a misogynist and g*mer for trying redirect the show.
Sounds to me like film industry bullshit and trying to redirect the narrative from someone wanting the show to stay accurate to him being misogynistic simply because he was contradicting a woman.
otterYou’re so full of shit, it’s actually impressive.
It got so bad he was fired from the Witcher AND the DCU movies.
Not sure what happened there but this is plain false… he left the witcher after at least 2 years of complaining the writers were throwing away the source material (the reason he signed on for) to actually go to back to DC since they expected the Black Adam movie to reboot the DCU. When Black Adam bombed spectacularly, any future DCU plans got tossed.
The show was a different story from the books and game, what source material were they supposed to follow? Tell the same story again? That was not what they proposed or were greenlit for?
He was canned from two different places for refusing to understand they are telling different stories that can’t be identical to the source material. How else do you deal with someone like that? Especially when he started dragging fans into harassing the show runners.
People defend him, since they don’t understand what was going on, but he’s louder and more famous, so he gets his way, until he doesn’t. Maybe the fact his has happened more than once should give people pause…?
The show was a different story from the books and game, what source material were they supposed to follow?
You said it yourself, the story from the books and game
Tell the same story again?
This is called an adapted script
That was not what they proposed or were greenlit for? And he signed on for THAT
Please provide source for either of these claims. Contracts are often signed when there isn’t even a complete team, let along an adapted script ready
How else do you deal with someone like that? Especially when he started dragging fans into harassing the show runners.
Yeah, what a monster, trying to give fans what they want to watch instead of the majestic crap they produced which was universally hated by those who knew the franchise from before
And by the way, I’m not aware of what other instance you talk about
They did, they used the skeleton to tell a different story, but cavil didn’t like it wasn’t a 1:1 retelling, yet no one wants to discuss how the games weren’t either. Yet he was arguing for content from both…?
Dude didn’t even know the lore himself, and was forcing the showrunners to do a story they never intended.
Maybe read some article about this, this isn’t new information, but sure, claim ignorance I guess.
Still waiting on all those sources that put you in the high horse of knowledge that is The Witcher tv series
The fact that season 1 has nothing to do with the books, if you’ve read them… should be the biggest enough hint.
But how many Articles do you want
Maybe why don’t you explain what’s the same between them? Because most people agree, they aren’t the same story, and if it was… do you think cavil would be fighting for it to be the same…? Your argument doesn’t even work lmfao.
I know the source material is different than the garbage show.
What you need to prove is that Cavil knew this going in and then changed his mind. This is your entire premise to show Cavil is in the wrong here
The first article I linked explained it pretty good, but apparently you couldn’t be assed to read it, but that’s apart par for the course when anyone tries discussing this. Cavill can’t be wrong, yet he literally said he was, but he still asininely pushed for “source material”, which was both books and video game.
“And for me, that’s always a little bit heartbreaking, because I love the lore, and I love the material so much. I wish we could fit it all in, but with the structure of an eight-hour series, you can’t.”
Of course he knew the limitations of the media, he would be daft not to, and you’re even worse for not comprehending this, doubly so when asked for a source and provided it, you still beak off.
Lol you must be like 12 to care this deeply about such bullshit