Randahl FinkJohn Oliver's recent takedown of Benjamin Netanjahu's illegal setler policies is one of the best episodes Last Week Tonight has ever produced.
Thought provoking, frightening even, but very, very important.
If you are against genocide, boost this:
Hans-Cees 🍋🌲🦔🦦🐝🦋🐛🚅🇸🇳🇵🇾🇹🇬🇹🇲@randahl well, better watch what the other side has to say as well.
I am of the opinion that Both Israël as Palestine are caught by extremist governmental processes, and the civilians suffer. I dont trust neither #hamas nor Israël propaganda. And you Just trusted views very much in accordance ewith #hamas propaganda.
Tobias Denkinger@denki @randahl I must phrase better what I mean. With "hamas propaganda" I loosely refer to the complex of beliefs and utterences normally used to discredit the existence of Israël.
The Hamas and also (in the past) PLO charters want Israël to stop to exist. They do not accept any jewish state. The memeplex that goes with this worldview consists of a whole set of utterences that are false or fascist (unless you think wiping Israël of the map is ok). (1/2)
The Hamas and also (in the past) PLO charters want Israël to stop to exist. They do not accept any jewish state. The memeplex that goes with this worldview consists of a whole set of utterences that are false or fascist (unless you think wiping Israël of the map is ok). (1/2)
@hanscees
The piece does not question the existence of Israel in the slightest. The practice of settling occupied land is in question.
The "memeplex" you are talking about apparently contains some factual assertions ('settling the West Bank is illegal') and some ideological assertions ('Israel should not exist'). Do you suggest that endorsing one assertion of this "memeplex" means that someone aligns with the entire thing?
@randahl
@denki @randahl What I see happening is that memes like "Palestina free ftrttsee" cross over and get normalised between the "hamas memeplex" to "concerned humanist" memeplex, while those chanting the memes are not aware what it means what they utter.
So yes, endorcing public speech with grave distortions of reality, through normalizing extremist memes, toward extremist views, is a worry for sure.
So yes, endorcing public speech with grave distortions of reality, through normalizing extremist memes, toward extremist views, is a worry for sure.
@hanscees
I agree. This is a problem particularly with many pro-Palestine protests in The West.
Some people now see the Israeli government as the bad guys and Hamas as the good guys and victims. In reality, of course, neither of them is the good guys and the civilians in the area are being victimized.
I just don't see how this piece does any of what you claim. In particular, I don't see any great distortion of reality or any normalizing of extremist memes/views.
@randahl