Do you use #Debian on your mobile (Purism Librem 5, PinePhone, Volla phone or an old android model like One Plus 3 etc)?

Or would you like to switch from #andoid / #ios to an OS that is developed in a more decentralized /community driven and caring for our privacy and freedoms ? Much like how GNU/Linux on laptops/servers/PCs.

There are efforts like #Mobian and #Droidian but we need to raise some funds so we can implement some missing crucial features.

Join https://codema.in/d/pgFEQHaY/debian-on-mobile-feature-prioritizing-and-fund-raising-proposed-structure

Debian on mobile feature prioritizing and fund raising proposed structure

Introduce and describe the topicFree Software gives right to modify the software, but to enjoy this right, we need to work collectively.ProblemGoogle and Apple have a duopoly on smartphone operating systems. While Apple's iOS is fully proprietary, Google's Android is also largely proprietary (finding ROMs without Google apps is becoming more difficult/only older models have good custom roms/only accessible to smaller number of tech savvy users). Even if we manage to get custom ROMs working, the development of Android ecosystem is driven by Google which has a business model that depends on collecting maximum user data.BackgroundGNU/Linux on mobiles gives a more decentralized and community-driven operating system with a focus on privacy of users. We have choices like Purism's Librem 5, Pinephone, Volla phone or some Android phones supported by Mobian, Droidian, and Postmarket OS.Purism lead the development of PureOS with contributions like phosh, calls, chatty, libhandy etc, but that effort seems to have stalled for a long time (PureOS byzantium is based on Debian bullseye and PureOS crimson is not finished even though bookworm was released in June 2023). Other projects like Mobian or PostmarketOS are driven by volunteer developers and such projects tend to fragment developer resources since people tend to work on what is interesting to them (for example there is fragmentation with phosh and plasma mobile trying to implement same apps, though core components like kernel are usually shared) and not necessarily what is important to users. Many volunteer-driven projects lack volunteers, resulting in slow progress. Purism focused on proving a good user experience picking phosh and debian from many available options. But since their effort slowed down considerably in recent times, to be able to fill the gap left by Purism, we need another effort in prioritizing features and crowd funding targeted fixes and feature developments. The governance structure is inspired by [Prav XMPP App project](https://prav.app), which is driven by users.Proposed governance structurePeople who are already using GNU/Linux on mobile can join a codema.in group and propose the features they would like. Since this is a focused effort, we will pick a base - Mobian Trixie and Phosh. For core apps also, we will pick one app from available options.Once we have a list of features, we can vote and find top five most wanted features. We will then try to raise funds through opencollective.org and find developers willing to implement those features. This process can be repeated if we manage to implement some top voted features.For example, Phase 1: We will collect the more important feature requests or bug fixes proposed by users. We can set a deadline of 1 month for this phase.Phase 2: Prepare a poll from the proposed features and bug fixes. We could give a month's time for people to vote.Phase 3: Create fund raising projects on opencollective.com for the most popular 5 features.Phase 4: Post on platforms like fossjobs.net and platforms for freelance developers to find someone willing to work on these features.If this works out, repeat this process to implement more features.Target audience for this project: people who are already using a GNU/Linux smart phone or are interested in it.For people who are not yet using PureOS, Mobian or Droidian but looking to get started. You can buy a supported phone like Purism Librem 5 (this will not need non-free firmware[1] but costly), Volla phone (supported by Droidian), or PinePhone/PinePhonePro (supported by Mobian). Or one of older Android phones supported by Mobian or Droidian (though most supported models are very old).[1] there is some non-free firmware for wifi and modem, but these devices are physically isolated via a standardInterested? join us at https://xmpp.link/#[email protected]?joinWhy is this important?This is an idea to be able to prioritize features for Debian on Mobile (Mobian and Droidian with Phosh) and raise funds to develop most requested features as a community via OpenCollective.How would you like people to respond?Everyone can propose features or fixes that are important to them.

codema.in

@praveen and how can i use debian on my Volla Phone ? :D i've only UBTouch an Volla OS .

Are there any images?

Edit:

Is it Droidian? As i see,Volla Phones are not fully supported.

@christiansblog You can try instructions at https://github.com/droidian-images/droidian I'm not sure if there are pre built images.
GitHub - droidian-images/droidian: Droidian unified ci builds

Droidian unified ci builds. Contribute to droidian-images/droidian development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub
Droidian devices

Webpage for devices running droidian

@praveen yes i've seen it, but it's not fully supported
@christiansblog it is officially supported by droidian, but some features are not yet working. Any specific missing feature you need?

@praveen Hello World Systems recently released Android 13 for all Volla devices and is currently working on Android 14.

Droidian, however, needs Android 11 to run. A step backwards.
In addition, neither MMS nor Dual Sim works, something that is possible from the device.
I don't mean that in a bad way, I think it's great that people are making the effort to port Debian to mobile devices.

@praveen couldn't get PostmarketOS to boot on the one plus 3 unfortunately
Droidian devices

Webpage for devices running droidian

@praveen for my personal understanding, that's nothing, that could be upstreamed?
@razze I don't know specifics of one plus 3 status as I'm using Purism Librem 5.

@praveen Nice initiative and focusing on one distro and UI makes sense (and happy to see #phosh made it in 🙂 ).

At FrOSCon (https://programm.froscon.org/2024/events/3178.html) however we saw (again) that lots of issues affecting
daily drivability for users are device specific (modem data and call stability, gps availability, sensor support, camera sensor support). I thus wonder if the scope is still too broad and one should look at "per device" funds as well?

Workshop: Round table: What are you missing to use Linux Mobile daily… | Saturday | Schedule FrOSCon 2024

@agx I think that makes sense. If an issue is specific to a device, we can mark that as device specific when raising funds. I hope after some of those device specific issues are tackled we may have more software changes that is common to all devices like alarm waking up the device from suspend.
@praveen Can we do some sort of "tagging" like in gitlab so there could be "Librem5", "PinePhone" labels to help people figure out if it will help their device?
@agx yes, that is a good idea, we can do that.
@agx I have started tagging the threads https://codema.in/g/D8TO7J5c/tags/librem5 we can include these tags when we get to OpenCollective fund raising stage as well.
Loomio

@praveen Might make sense to also update the Phosh screenshots at some point. The ones here are a bit out of date. Let me know when I can help with that.
@agx yes, feel free to add a more recent screenshot.You have access to edit group settings. Feel free to update description too.