Shoshana 🏳️⚧️I can't even find the words. Like, just stop being weird to women.
Nonya Bidniss 🥥🌴@LilahTovMoon Are those actual live human women participating in this? God. The greatest achievement of the patriarchy is to get women to raise girls who turn into women who participate in THIS.
Tattie@Nonya_Bidniss maybe keep the blame on the (almost certainly) men who came up with the idea, and not the women who were probably only given details of what they were to do at the last minute?
@LilahTovMoon
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@Tattie @LilahTovMoon I think what you might miss is that at the root of it I *am* blaming men. It's hard to see that I'm blaming men but there is a whole lifelong system built to raise women to participate in what the men are doing, but it IS the men that are the root of the problem. When women aid patriarchy, when women are raised within patriarchy, patriarchy may succeed, but the problem is still patriarchy.
@Nonya_Bidniss I see blaming patriarchy-in-general as a cop-out. There are specific people to blame here and it's those who chose to design a sales gimmick around female objectification. The models didn't meaningfully choose to promulgate this; they have jobs to keep and bills to pay.
@LilahTovMoon
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@Tattie I can see your POV of course. I'm not blaming the women for having been raised in a system that treats them as objects. Lots of women don't even see or realize the system they're in. Which was exactly what I was saying in my first post that you replied to. You can call it a cop out, that's fine, we'll disagree on that. @LilahTovMoon