Matthew Garrett
Nobody should have to agree to a commercial entity's terms of service to access state services or participate in democracy
Aug 14, 2024 at 4:34pmWeb
Show threadFrederic BarthelemyAug 14, 2024

@mjg59 The state should not be permitted to defer or relegate user rights to a third party.

The state is not permitted to abrogate its responsibilities, and casually shift responsibility to a third party. A third party should not be able to expand the things they steal from the user just because the user is interacting with their state.

Show threadcharles aylwardAug 14, 2024
@mjg59 ... it's really extra when the site uses a country-code TLD that isn't your country.
Show threadNicoleAug 14, 2024
@cda @mjg59 it was a little weird that skatteetaten (norwegian tax authority) books its appointments through a swedish site
Show threadAdamAug 14, 2024
@mjg59 I agree 100% but what prompted it?
Show threadAdeptVeritatisAug 14, 2024

@pseudomonas @mjg59

(realization)

Show threadAdamAug 14, 2024
@AdeptVeritatis @mjg59 This might not have been as enlightening as you intended.
Show threadAdeptVeritatisAug 15, 2024

@pseudomonas @mjg59

It is not knowledge. It was not one piece of information been added to the stack of information.

Understanding the interlinks between the pieces is realization.

Show threadAdeptVeritatisAug 15, 2024

@pseudomonas @mjg59

"What was the piece of information, which made you understand this? I want to have it, too. I want to understand it, too! Give me!!!"

Nope. You have to work that out for yourself.
Doing - not having!

Show threadAdamAug 15, 2024
@AdeptVeritatis @mjg59 are you patronising me on mjg's behalf or your own?
Show threadAdeptVeritatisAug 15, 2024

@pseudomonas

As I said, realization is always connected to yourself. You can not get it from someone else. It is not something, you have.

Sure it is my own. That is, what this is about and what you don't want to get. Because it would force you to do it yourself.

Show threadcaitpAug 14, 2024
@pseudomonas @mjg59 probably talking about the National Public Data leak, if I'm not mistaken -- but it could really be a lot of things :(
Show threadMatt HodgkinsonAug 14, 2024

@pseudomonas @mjg59 Maybe the Disney case? Permanent corporate immunity after you've once agreed to T&Cs is dystopian. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/disney-fighting-restaurant-death-suit-with-disney-terms-absurd-lawyer-says/

Edit to add: It's not that, probably something to do with voting machines.

Disney fighting restaurant death suit with Disney+ terms “absurd,” lawyer says

Disney wants to force suit over restaurant allergy death into arbitration.

Ars Technica
Show threadZimmieAug 14, 2024
@pseudomonas @mjg59 My guess would be running into yet another governmental service you can only use via id dot me.
Show threadfeldAug 14, 2024
@mjg59 the GOP and Democratic parties are private corporations, so we don't really have a choice.
Show threadderptronAug 14, 2024
@feld @mjg59 They're not actually employing their candidates though. Candidates have a lot of motivating reasons to support the party that endorses them, but they can tell the party to get bent any time they want and still hold their position in government. Really got in the way for Dems recently...
Show threadfeldAug 14, 2024
@crazyeddie @mjg59 doesn't matter whether or not they employ their candidates, they do not answer to the people. That's all that matters. They can choose to not do a primary. They can choose to override the will of the people in the candidate selection process. They can even use their power direct the Electoral College electors to be "faithless electors" and put the votes in for anyone they want. It's dangerous.
Show threadCraig StuntzAug 14, 2024
@mjg59 Or pay taxes <looks sideways at id.me>
Show threadNigel PaceyAug 14, 2024
@mjg59 What did you have in mind!
Show threadChris LAug 14, 2024
@mjg59 I think we might have another window to pass legislation forcing government to only procure open source software. Except military i guess. But the big commercial providers are not smelling well in congress.
Show threadDaniel GibsonAug 17, 2024
@jayalane @mjg59
Doesn't the problem already start once you need any kind of software (and an internet connection, or just a phone number) to access state services?
You don't get internet access (or a phone number..) without agreeing to some providers TOS
Show threadMatthew GarrettAug 17, 2024
@Doomed_Daniel @jayalane Using a public library doesn't involve agreeing to any commercial ToS
Show threadMichael PorterAug 14, 2024
@mjg59 I want a bigger boost button for this.
Show threadHorror Author Reed AlexanderAug 14, 2024
@mjg59
Give it enough time and government will have terms of service.
Show threadEric LawtonAug 14, 2024

@mjg59

Great point. I should have included it in my letter to Canada's Inquiry into foreign interference in elections, questioning why TikTok is banned as a site for government communications, but X is not.

Next time!

https://ericlawton.org/2024/08/14/musk-foreign-interference-in-canadian-elections-via-x/

Musk: Foreign Interference in Canadian Elections via X

A letter to Canada’s Inquiry into foreign interference in elections, questioning why TikTok is banned as a site for government communications, but X is not, in spite of Musk’s willingne…

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Show threadThe TurtleAug 14, 2024

@mjg59 "Sign In With Google."

Fuck no, I'm voting, assholes.

Show threadPteryx the Puzzle SecretaryAug 15, 2024
@mjg59 Nor to seek and obtain employment.
Show threadChirael (Anthony)   🇺🇦 Aug 15, 2024
@mjg59 oh sure, next you’re gonna say people shouldn’t have to pay to be able to read the laws or municipal codes they’re supposed to follow
Show threadPhilip KaludercicAug 16, 2024
@mjg59 What are you referring to?
Show threadeerlijkdigitaalonderwijs.nlAug 18, 2024
@mjg59 Nobody should have to agree to a commercial entity's terms of service to go to school.