A lot of people are unclear why so many #PatreonCreators are quite so upset at the recent news about #Patreon. This is largely because what is being reported in the news is the business with the 30% Apple tax, which only affects iOS users.

The thing creators are upset about is that Patreon is SHUTTING DOWN two of its three offerings. Creators who were using one of those two are now screwed. How screwed they are depends on how and why they were using the services being discontinued, and ranges from "extremely inconvenienced" right on up to "existential threat to their creative endeavor".

One of the services Patreon offered – the one I use – basically has no alternative. None of the other crowdfunding platforms support it.

Indeed, a lot of creators were stuck using Patreon *because* it did things differently from other crowdfunding platforms, and it is BECAUSE it did things differently, that Apple is requiring them to give up those services.

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Apple only supports the common subscription model that is widespread among payment processors and crowdfunding platforms. They do not want to have to support the innovative things that Patreon was doing, so they told Patreon that to be compatible with Apple, it could only offer the same thing all the other platforms offered.

At least on the iOS app.

To be absolutely crystal clear: Patreon presumably could have complied by, instead, simply making it such that users of the iOS app cannot access or subscribe to or manage their subscriptions to creators that used non-compatible services, and allowed the creators to go on using them.

But instead, it paved its own orchard to give Apple a place to park.

This is not a surprise, in that at least one of the two offerings it is canceling is something those of us who use it have long suspected Patreon was just itching to get rid of.

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I assure you, at this point no creator who uses Patreon to earn any substantial part of their income for any length of time is using it because they *like* it. We all learn to hate Patreon in due course.

No, if a serious creator is using Patreon at this point it is usually because none of the abundant supposed "alternatives" actually support their use case or are otherwise usable for them.

Maybe it's because Patreon is the only place to buy what they need. Maybe it's because it's the only one that is sufficiently handicapped accessible. Maybe it's because it's so integrated into their workflow, the switching costs are extreme. Maybe it's for some other reason I don't even know about.

But it's not because they're thinking, "This is great! The software is so stable and there's so rarely any problem with charging my patrons and everything works really well and there's never any sudden drama upsetting my ability to earn a living here! Why would I ever want to leave?" Promise.

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@siderea The biggest value in Patreon is most people interested in supporting a creator already use patreon, already know how it works, probably already support someone else on the platform so trying to get them to move to another one is a challenge

@BrodieOnLinux mostly yes, but there's this interesting fact that as Patreon simplifies what it does as far as payment processing goes, it's converging on PayPal. PayPal already has a subscription feature. If you're already delivering your creative goods via YouTube or WordPress.com or your own website or the US mail, and if your creative endeavor is compatible with rolling monthly subscriptions, unless you need something else Patreon is doing for you...

...the question arises, why not just have your patrons subscribe directly on PayPal, which has even better name recognition and market penetration than Patreon, and saves you the additional 5% Patreon charges?

Because an awful lot of patrons would be totally fine with just moving over to PayPal.

@siderea you probably know more than I but when Patreon supported batched monthly billing didn't that save on credit card per-transaction fees, by only having one transaction? I'm guessing any overhead charged per transaction or to Apple comes out of creators revenue, which sours the deal in another way

@raven667 Exactly right. One of the things that's in the back of my head is that a bunch of us (including me) are grandfathered into batched payments to reduce transaction fees. But Patreon had a flag day, after which point they no longer batched transactions for new creator accounts. And it wasn't recent. Like more than 5 years ago I think.

So any creators who aren't grandfathered are already bearing the cost of non-batched payments. For them, less reason to stick around.

@siderea @raven667 What's weird is the payments are still actually batched (at least for me...), the creators just don't get the discount for iT!

@raven667 @siderea

Nope! If told by a creator that I support on Patreon that I have to use PayPal to support them, I'm afraid they would be the losers, because I wouldn't use PayPal any more than I would patronize Facebook

@siderea I personally offer people a number of alternatives that they can choose to make use of but it's sadly hard to cut off the biggest one

@BrodieOnLinux @siderea The reason I'm on Patreon as a consumer is that they bundle everything into a single monthly transaction on my end. If they stop this which I understand this change in payment model to mean, I can no longer make small recurring donations cost effectively and I'm out. I'm not going to pay transaction fees on 10 1€/month subscriptions.

It's possible that I've misunderstood the change since Patreon has really made any effort to explain it to non-creators.