Replacing Youtube is really hard!

https://lemmy.ml/post/18484764

Replacing Youtube is really hard! - Lemmy

I thought odysee is a better alternative for youtube and offers much more privacy. But it’s not. So disappointed. Feeling hard to quit youtube because of other platforms doesn’t have much better or quality contents expecially no instance of peertube is truly usable. 🤥

Use it in the private mode of some privacy respecting Firefox variant and done.
@viking
But you still get adverts, don't you?
@Alb087
Ublock origin + sponsor block on desktop, ReVanced on Android and SmartTube on Android TV, no ads.
try baidu
It’s a chinese platform. Comparatively google is much better than baidu even i terms of privacy. 😐
What does privacy even mean to you? Google is literally a US military contractor. Who do you think stands a chance of prosecuting you? This is flat out racist and uninformed. You haven’t provided any evidence other than it being Chinese.

Besides, it was a joke. Baidu and Billibilli have completely different content. It’s like replacing candy with a tomato in a child’s meal. Of course you’re going to get mad at me.

Odysee in this analogy would be like replacing candy with shitty off brand candy.

Odysee is not a foreign thriving streaming service it’s a venture capital funded mess that’s never going to do well compared to YT, same with Bitchute and others.

You’re going to want invidious.privacy.dev for an easy way to get your fix. Or Youtube DL.

I just don’t really use youtube for much of anything unless I randomly look stuff up. Odysee is certainly not going to provide me with tutorials or music albums!

Peertube is also not a replacement and more a way for people to self-host their channels free of censorship and then federate (like here on Lemmy) but it’s going to be much bigger than Odysee or Bitchute because it’s an open source software platform, not a shitty youtube knockoff.

PeerTube is a nice idea but almost all instance owners don’t enable much federation, if any.

I had to create my own and set it to auto-federate with others.

And still there’s a large lack of interesting content or stability or usable clients.

Also the sorting is completely out of whack. If I click on “trending” videos, the top ones are usually several months old.

There also a whole lot of non-English content with no way to filter it.

Yes ! I found some useful and meaningful videos only on tilvids.com in my perspective.

I administrate a PeerTube instance (peertube.wtf) and everything is just much more complicated compared to a Lemmy instance.

One reason I don’t “auto-federate” is because there’s a ton of pirated and questionable content. So much content is in a foreign language and so many instances are inactive and therefore filled with spam.

That’s why I add instances manually to federate with. This way, the quality of the content is also much higher.

What’s wrong with pirated content?
For hosters, legality has to be considered.

there’s a ton of pirated and questionable content

It’s easier and more productive to just remove bad instances as they’re added than it is to scower all the different instances and pick and choose which ones to federate with.

Tubular, it’s a NewPipe fork. They can play PeerTube too.
Wow, it’s awesome. But, What about the contents ?
Now we can watch PeerTube in the same app, start saying it in live stream, superchats, comments. That’s how we change culture.
NewPipe can do peertube as well
Grayjay with youtube restricted for just searching and being able to view links. Nebula and Patreon for actually supporting creators I care about while avoiding youtube (most of the time for the patreon people).

Can’t help you content wise, but I run a private instance of Invidious which strips out ads and UX annoyances. I also use FreeTube as a front end which can also detect and remove sponsored content.

Still hitting their servers. So not doing much privacy wise, but it’s better than nothing.

Still hitting their servers. So not doing much privacy wise

I wouldn’t underestimate how much they are getting, technically but also legally, from a logged-in account using their interface. So using another interface and without having an account can already help a lot. They don’t want “just” the data to improve a profile, they also need some way to server back the ads to, otherwise it costs them but doesn’t bring money back. I imagine in such cases, especially in jurisdictions where ghost profiles are illegal, this does a lot already.

Its trivial to run Invidious through a VPN via Gluetun if you use Docker.

When I’m on Invidious, all my requests come from one of Proton’s IP addresses, amongst everyone else using YouTube on that Proton server. I’m not logged into YouTube and Google cannot load their ads, trackers and other spyware in my browser.

All they have to go on is the Proton IP, searches, and watched videos

I suppose we could just replace YouTube with Lemmy communities on the front end and your service of choice (PeerTube/NextCloud, etc.) on the back end. This would at least federate the privacy issues — no one org would get to capture all the user data.

Video platform is the next thing to be federated.

I don’t like YouTube moderation and the host should be federated, the way it is now YouTube owns the public data.

Very unlikely to happen, it’s way too expensive or demanding to run at a significant scale and it would probably end up with a single monolithic instance
You are wrong, you can have big instance and still federated. If the site is corrupted, the users can leave right away.
How do you want to federated Exabytes of content?

federated Exabytes of content

Unless you have special affection to YouTube moderation, this has to be done. Even if you want to believe it is hard, but it is completely untrue.

Federated =/= unstructured p2p network

A host can be a big instance in fediverse, the others can host another instance, can visit the big instance if it has the bandwidth, but not necessarily host the data (which is the case for unstructured p2p network, where everyone does the same task). As long as it is free software, both the host and user skip the hassle of adopting different interfaces.

Peertube handles this because by default it is set to peer to peer mode so that your browser will also upload the video to other browsers who are watching it at the same time which takes load off the server. So for example, if five people are watching a video at the same time, the server might have to handle all five, but if a thousand people are watching that same video at the same time, the server only has to handle five or ten people, and then those people handle everybody else.
Just use torrents. You can set up torrents to subscribe and automatically download new episodes of shows and watch them on a client on your TV or phone. You can stream a torrent as well. I’m sure there’s a way to make a YouTube like experience.
Yeah I guess torrents would be the closest thing to federated video, but seeing the download speed of most torrents that I find even ones with many seeds, it is often balls slow
It wouldn’t be out of the question for the creator to pay for something like a seedbox that has a gigabit unlimited connection. They only cost around $10/mo.
Yeah I’ve gone 100% audio only through podcasts, broadcasts, and audiobooks. Video just is not ready for decentralization.

Yeah I’ve gone 100% audio only through podcasts, broadcasts, and audiobooks.

Based solution

Video is already decentralized via torrents, people just actually need to use them.
A platform like YouTube can’t be copied, especially by privacy respecting companies or the community. It’s way too expensive to run.

They’re not designed with privacy in mind, but I think one of the best things for video is supporting smaller more independent platforms. Things like Nebula, which is made up of a curated selection of high quality YouTubers who upload their YouTube videos sans advertising, as well as some small amount of unique bonus content. Nebula is owned by its creators, as an added bonus.

Or Dropout, made from the former CollegeHumor YouTube channel, it’s mostly sketch and improv comedy, as well as some D&D play videos.

Neither are privacy focused explicitly, but because of their direct relationship to their customers and lack of interest in advertising, they’re not incentivised to be bad for privacy like the bigger free platforms are.

Dropout has some really funny stuff, but they don’t have regional pricing where I live, so they cost about as much as Netflix and just a little less than Disney+

I’ll totally subscribe if they offer a better price in third would countries.

You don’t have to quit YouTube. I would guess that the overwhelming majority of subscribers here still use it in one form or another.

You can use YouTube with another Frontend. See it as YouTube only hosts the videos.

Personally I have a problem leaving YouTube due to I need to be logged in to get their recommended videos based on my profile.I don’t think anybody else can do that.

Invidious will show you related videos to the one you’re watching but not the suggested tab of YouTube. I see it as a good thing though, I really don’t need another black box algorithm controlling me.

Yes, but I see it as a way of discovering other channels to subscribe to. You can also see it as ads. It is for me entertainment. Instead of searching for game x to watch, I can just see some videos that is apparently popular within this game.

I understand that some people don’t want it. You do want you want.

Yeah, thats what keeps me coming back to youtube tbh. I know it’s tracking me but for some reason youtube is the one place I like the personalised recommendations. I just use youtube for background noise while eating meals so i like to go to the homepage and quickly find a video that looks interesting because it’s recommended to me.
I we one has to have a balance between privacy and joy. I mean, how much you win vs lose on it. However, I would still like to have the same functionality elsewhere if I could.
I don’t know what technology YouTube uses, but I can easily play videos directly on YouTube even with my poor internet speed. However, other front-ends like Piped, FreeTube, GrayJay, NewPipe, LibreTube, and Invidious struggle to stream videos smoothly and experience too much buffering.
Because at youtube scale, they can afford (kinda) to put local cache servers all over the globe and have every video rendered at all quality settings at the same time.
As well as being able to move between the quality settings more or less imperceptibly if the bandwidth changes. Similar to Netflix and Prime.
Thanks for clarification. That always bugged me.
This was a big story with Netflix and ISPs about 15 years ago. If I can find a link, I’ll post it.
The answer is simple, they are not the right way so YouTube doesn’t offer them a real way to fetch content. So it adds a first layer of latency for the alternatives as FreeTube and NewPipe (I actually don’t know so much about GrayJay). And after adding a bit of latency, you increase this by going trough a server for Piped, LibreTube and Individious.
Try a different instance
I would love if someone could answer this with quick examples. What exactly are people watching on YouTube that can’t be replaced elsewhere? If I’m needing informational content I will generally seek it out in textual format, as it’s painful to sit through a video on that sort of thing. And if it’s entertainment, there are many other options.
I recently watched a 10-hour video essay on Harry Potter. I can only find stuff like that on YouTube.
OK…but why would you do that!? Your life surely would be no worse without that. I get being a fan and all that, I grew up with HP,. I’ve read the books several times and seems the movies several times. HP was a huge part of my upbringing and I bought the books at release. But I just don’t get watching a 10h video essay on it, much less while supporting YT.
When I’m doing a long shift at work iblike tonout one of those really long videos on while I’m working, makes my shift fly by and insont have to worry aboutnwhata coming on next.
If you’re not watching it anyway, why choose a medium with video at all? Seems like the easiest thing to ditch YT with that kind of usage where the audio is actually what you’re needing.
Because I want to.
Well yeah, but then you also actively choose to support YTs monopoly.

I just wrote a rather long comment to that person and now I’ve realized they are being purposefully obtuse.

You playing the content on YouTube is entirely justified. Lots of people put the news on a television instead of a radio while doing things around the house, because occasionally something visual is referenced or something is said that seems interesting enough to look over at the screen.

Besides, it’s not like the person that went through the effort of putting together a ten hour long essay is going to publish just the audio as a podcast or something.

That person’s an egg head, you enjoy your essays.

Hahah yeah thats why I didn’t bite hard, I dont get it when people are angry that you enjoy something they dont.