Jewish civilians can't go into Gaza.
When one black Ethiopian Jew had gone in by mistake, he was taken captive by Hamas.
Gazans frequently work in Israel.
Jewish civilians can't go into area A of the West Bank. When a few went in by driving route mistake, they brutally lynched (more brutal than you can imagine in your worst nightmares).
West Bank Palestinians frequently work in Israel and study in Israeli universities (often on scholarships that Jews don't get).

The land is one Jews have far more distant connection to, an eternal connection we have kept in almost every single holiday we celebrate (yes, almost all Jewish holidays are necessarily zionist holidays and are all about Judea / Israel).

But, even though many are there as a result of brutal Islamic Arab occupations, today Palestinians have a deep connection to the land too and that's valid as well.

So, if the land belongs to both, both people are indigenous to it or are deeply connected to it, and only one is avoided access to it, how could it be that the other is blamed of apartheid?

Not to mention, within Palestinian society abuse of women and children is the norm, killing gay persons and abusing them is the norm (they often move to Israel, as gay refugees). Black Palestinians are literally called "slaves" and often treated that way, living in their own separate territory from all other (brown and white-looking) Palestinians. And Christian Palestinians are slowly disappearing, abuse and killing of them by Muslim civilians is common and Hamas do nothing about it.

All of those are examples of inner apartheid, of inequality, oppression, genocide and race, sex and sexual orientation abuse within Palestinian society.

All of which are illegal to do in Israel and people often go to a lifetime in jail for committing those acts.

Acts of brutal terror are constantly committed by Palestinians and their society adores those who commit such brutality. Acts of terror are also committed by Jewish settlers, although, those are far more rare, illegal and absolutely not supported by the Israeli society. In the end of the day a Palestinian knows he might get beaten up if he accidentally ends up in Jewish territory, or in territories that Jewish settlers are attempting to take. On the other end, Jews know that if they accidentally end up in Palestinian terrorists, they would be kidnapped at best, raped and brutally slaughtered in public at worst (I'll avoid the details here but you should seriously look up the Ramallah lynching).

Hamas leaders are multi billionaires through stealing aid from their suffering people. Israeli leaders are usually just high earning middle class, in some cases millionaires (a reminder that a billion is a thousand times a million).

War, is something Israelis constantly aspire to avoid, teach their children to hope and work for peace in all Jewish schools.
War, is something the Palestinian society often initiates and they teach their children the Hitler book and that their best way to live is by dying while killing Jews.

War, whatsoever, is devastating to both sides and especially for children who are trapped helpless in this situation.

And just to mention 20% of Israeli society, as in, outside of Gaza and the West Bank, is Arab Israelis, Muslim and Christian, with many more being Druze and Bedouin. All equal civilians living in the same country and under the same rules alongside Jewish Israelis. We work together, celebrate holidays and birthdays together, marry each other and so on.

So, why is the Israeli society vilianized worldwide as genocidal colonialists and the Palestinians seen as eternally good doing innocent victims?

Antisemitism. Yes, anti Zionism is antisemitism. Even if your local token Jew said it's not. I'd ask them how much they actually celebrate Jewish holidays (cause of they celebrate even just Passover or Sukkot, they are in fact taking part in zionism).
In fact, the absolute overwhelming majority of Jews agree that antizionism is antisemitism, by all polls, the results are obvious, over 95% agree.

Criticizing the government is not a problem. Criticizing the Jewish settlers is not a problem. That's not antizionism that's just valid criticism as long as it's based on truth.

But,

Denying our connection to the land is denying our Jewish identities, is antisemitism.
Easily believing false facts about the war and obsessively rejecting or doubting true facts that prove the opposite, is antisemitism.
Denying October 7th happened or celebrating it, is antisemitism.
Not believing our raped-by-Palestinian civilians-and-Hamas Jewish women, men, girls and boys, is antisemitism and sexism.
Trying to show our societies as of equal faiths and desires, is an attempt to downplay the brutal truth about Palestinian society and inflate anything bad about Israeli Jewish society, and it's antisemitism.
Fixating on supporting pointing out flaws, mistakes and even intentional injustices committed by Jews, but ignoring or downplaying it when it comes from Muslims, and also ignoring far, far, far more devastating wars in the world while fixating on Israel, such as Sudan, Congo, Ukraine, Pakistan, comfortably forgetting Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and other nations at wars or under terror rules, that cost far far more lives and damage to children and women at the same time of the Israel Palestine current war. That's both antisemitism and a disgusting level of ignorance and of a disconnected nature, living in a little antisemitic bubble ignoring all the world's troubles.
Not asking for my family to be brought home, for all hostages to come home, is antisemitic.

If you let any other minority's majority decide on what is or isn't racist towards them but not Jews, and if you ignore or downplay thousands of percents uprise in antisemitic hate crimes, then even if you're a (token) Jew, you are, in fact, antisemitic.

#israel #bringthemhome #bringthemhomenow #antisemitism

@emmanuelleskaly There is also the plain fact that holding hostages is the clearest of all war crimes, and yet this one war crime they can't be bothered to mention?

And then you have these Hamas propagandists going around the Net showing people the hostages are living in cushy homes next to Gazan kiddies. It takes a rocket scientist to figure out this means Hamas is using civilians as human shields? One night's sleep on it should be all it takes.

@emmanuelleskaly No wonder so many Gazans get killed when Israeli hostages are freed. But then Israel gets blamed for this! Hamas planned it this way! They did it on purpose!

@emmanuelleskaly Mind you, I'm still on bad terms with the nation of Israel, but it is over Israel's treatment of the American Diaspora, which has been deplorable. Cheering on those who want to turn our country into a harshly Christian prison camp. An entirely different topic.

Relations with Palestinians is not my business. It is Israeli business. I am just observing that a lot of people are antisemitic as you say, which is my business as a Jew.

@chemoelectric
Can you tell me more about the American diaspora treatment?
I know so many American Jews who moved to Israel, they are often more Zionist than all other Israelis and they usually seem very happy, as well as any American Jew who travels to Israel usually feeling at home in Israel. So I'm pretty confused here

@emmanuelleskaly That is not a representative sample of American Jews.

American Jews are overwhelmingly liberal Democrats. Netanyahu is an ally of right-wing Republicans and our Christian nationalists. Also it is our Christian nationalists who championed moving our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Their goal is bring about the fabled Christian End Times.

Netanyahu comes over here and openly favors Republicans and Gentiles over the majority of Jews. And disparagement of George Soros!

@emmanuelleskaly Did you know that Yair Netanyahu, the son, was caught peddling Jewish caricatures? Hooked noses, etc. I presume to represent Soros, for instance.
@emmanuelleskaly Anyway, people vacationing in Israel aren't there to air their grievances, they are there to have a good time! And immigrants are not Diaspora, are they? They are Israelis themselves.

@emmanuelleskaly George Soros is the largest individual political contributor in the United States and his support goes to the Democratic Party. He is Jewish. He is the son of a famous Hungarian Esperantist.

I did a quick search and found out this is how much effort Israel puts into sticking up for DIASPORA Jews when they are maligned: https://www.reuters.com/article/world/israel-backs-hungary-says-financier-soros-is-a-threat-idUSKBN19V1IY/

The way I might put it is that the Diaspora is supposed to give to Israel, and what Israel gives you back is a request for more.

@chemoelectric

I do personally know a ton of American Jews who were democratic left
..... Until the absolute betrayal of everyone they knew who were democratic left, after Oct 7th

Now many of them and us who travel a lot or live abroad are in personality crisis about this really

It's hard to say I'm a leftist today although I sort of am still

@chemoelectric
Well immigrants were diaspora until they became Israeli so I'd say they are an example.

About Jews being overwhelmingly Democrats, most of them still are Zionists, they are both at once 💙

I know netanyahu favors Republicans, but unfortunately, Republicans show far more support to the hostages than Democrats.

This is my family, just look at the crowd chanting bring them home, the democratic party doesn't do that, and most pro Palestine persons are so called Democrats

(I'm neither by the way, I'm more of a libertarian).

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/syddrlud0?tbref=hp

"הוא אמריקני, איפה הזעם?": הנאום המרגש של הורי החטוף, לעיני טראמפ

לקול קריאות "bring them home!" של המוני משתתפי הוועידה הרפובליקנית במילווקי נאמו אורנה ורונן נאוטרה, הוריו של החטוף עומר שמחזיק באזרחות אמריקנית, וקראו לאמריקנים לסייע במאבק לשחרורו. "הוא נולד חודש אחרי 11/9, ו-20 שנה אחרי הוא הקורבן של עוד מתקפת טרור מרושעת", סיפרה אימו

ynet

@emmanuelleskaly You are spewing a load of anti-American-Jewish nonsense and thus confirming my complaints. You need to examine your own prejudices.

Israelis seem to have this badly distorted, self-centered view of the U.S.

Republicans are literally traitors to American democracy, who staged a deadly rebellion on the Capitol building and have renominated the convicted felon who led that rebellion, and it is unbelievable you would say a single word of praise in their favor, considering that.

@emmanuelleskaly This is why I cannot get along with Israel. Because Israel does not give the least damn about me as a Jew.

@emmanuelleskaly The United States is in extremely serious trouble right now, and Jews are under attack here. Israel is making things worse, not better.

Sure, there are "leftists" (NOT the Democratic Party) who protest Jews, and RW Christian Republicans who make a lot of fake noise of support. They are full of crap. They are just using the opportunity for political gain. Actual mass violence against Jews tends to come from right wing neo-Nazis who support and are supported by TRUMP.

@emmanuelleskaly The people we are afraid of here are not usually Muslims, but rabid Christians. Far right Republicans and neo-Nazis with assault rifles and explosives, or passing Christian-restrictive laws.

Maybe on some college campuses it is different. But few of us live on college campuses. I haven't gone to college since the 1980s.

@chemoelectric

It's sad you can't recognize the facts show most antisemitic attacks come from liberals and unfortunately Muslim immigrants these days. Just look at the neverending assaults at universities, those are usually not neo Nazis or at least they don't think of themselves this way

The right wing neo Nazis too, of course.

Us Jews are always the scapegoat of both left and right. We are not safe with either side.

... that's why most of my friends, family and my boyfriends are all center and libertarians, left leaning tho.

I'll always be pro democracy

But I find your hateful perspective against about half the American population, very misled, sad and I fully believe if someone is trying to convince you to hate your neighbors or see them as traitors up to the numbers of "the other side" or half the population..... You're being manipulated heavily.

I don't think of them as traitors even though I disagree with them on most things. When it comes to Israel I absolutely do appreciate their support.

@chemoelectric

Israel is the only safe place for you as a Jew. I'm very sad to hear a Jew who can not recognize it.

@emmanuelleskaly You talk about talking down, and yet did it occur to you that I might not be entirely Jewish? I am 3/4 Jewish. I am also a descendant of the founders of the United States. An ancestor of mine was a member of Continental Congress during the Revolution. You are insulting my country and my heritage and you are denouncing my people as innate Jew-killers.

You also imply without proof that Israel is safe for Jews. Where is the proof? Look up the story of Leonid Afremov.

Now get lost

@emmanuelleskaly I'm muting the conversation and doing a 7-day mute to recover my temper.

Then I hope for better because it is a mitzvah not to hold a grudge.

@emmanuelleskaly (And if half the country is seditious to the Constitution then half the country is seditious. We had a Civil War here once, you know. It has happened before. We rest on a knife edge here. It is not a new state of affairs and always has to do with racism. The United States is on the cusp of becoming majority non-white.)

@chemoelectric

I'm very very confused here I'll be honest. I don't really know what you want 😅
I'm here fighting against hate and polarization and you're trying to teach me what Israel is about or the USA, while I'm Israeli looking into moving to the USA and constantly visit.

I'm a mix of many perspectives and it looks like you're about to have a seizure from me disagreeing to hate half the American population or see Israel as unsafe for American Jews

It's pretty funny for me ngl, it's like my very existence goes against your white and black perspective and you're going mad from it because I'm a harmonic mix of things you believe to contrast and are at some sort of eternal war

I'm active against polarization, bringing people together is one of my life's missions so wherever I see polarization I stand against it

I want to live in a world where most people see that most people actually want the same things, that be, outside of those brainwashed by religion unfortunately.
Most people want security safety love comfort, on both and all sides.
Some people want attention and chaos, but most just want to live and let live.

@chemoelectric

I spoke to you as Jewish because you said you are Jewish, why would I assume otherwise?

In no way do I disrespect anything about America. All I am saying is that I don't agree to hate or see as traitors half of the American population.

The proof to Israel being safe for you? Just come visit, live the proof.
The war isn't safe but the society is. The society will hug you and love you whole heartedly.

@chemoelectric

I'm not going to see half of the American population as traitors. I'm not such a hateful human. And not I'm no full of propaganda, I spend a ton of time in the USA and I haven't lived in Israel most the time in the past 5 years. My boyfriend is American and what I'm saying is based on what I learn and of him. All I'm saying is based on Americans I know and my visits in the states. I experienced a 100000000000 times more antisemitism from Democrats than conservatives and centerists and libertarians.

I'm definitely not conservative, I'm more democrat leaning and left leaning.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't speak down to me like I'm some ignorant middle eastern fuelled by propaganda just because I have a different perspective.

@emmanuelleskaly "So, why is the Israeli society vilianized worldwide as genocidal colonialists and the Palestinians seen as eternally good doing innocent victims? "
I'm sure anti-semitism plays a role here. But I think, there's another mechanism at hand. We hold Israel to a higher standard, because we see it is a western civilisation, because it is a state with shared humanitarian values, while we know Palestine isn't even a state with nationwide values. 1/
@emmanuelleskaly I don't think of Palestinians as "eternally good". But I still distinguish between Palestinian civilians and Hamas. Israel is big and rich and well fed, is organized, has big guns and international support and they shoot at hospitals and deny humanitarian envoys to the civilians in Gaza to defeat a bunch of unorganized savages with no nationwide unity. It just doesn't feel right or justified. There's such a huge power imbalance. 2/2

@levampyre

No that's false. We do not attack hospitals, outside of Al shifa which is about 80% a military base of Hamas.

Israel is rich? Most Israelis can't afford a home.
My family can't.

@emmanuelleskaly Well, I meant comparatively rich. You're well off compared to families in gaza, who are now displaced or dead or both. They are dying from starvation, you don't. They have their kids buried under rubble, you don't.

I just recently read this article by two us american humanitarian surgeons and, look, I'm not sure your government and military is telling you the whole story of what's going on there. It's not pretty. And it's not right.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/19/gaza-hospitals-surgeons-00167697

@levampyre

I know the full story absolutely. I know the ins and outs of it in depth from all perspectives.

And yes, I am in fact displaced as well.i can't go back home since October 7th.
And my cousin is held hostage.
And I can't even count the amount of funerals my family had to go through this year and last year due to Palestinian terror

@emmanuelleskaly I'm sorry to hear that. I have friends, who are still missing family members abducted on Oct. 7th, too. I hope, you will be reunited and able to return home. But also with "you" I didn't mean you personally, but you, plural, as in Israeli people. I'm sure you - the Israeli people - experienced a lot of pain and misery due to Hamas. Yet, this still doesn't make right what your military is doing in Gaza right now and since Oct. 7th, in my opinion.

@levampyre

I understand, I am heartbroken by the situation in Gaza, but I see it as entirely the fault of Hamas, not our IDF.

IDF sometime does things I disagree with, but I don't disagree with our actions in this war overall.

@emmanuelleskaly

Dead children, children with necrotic wounds and maggots in their legs? Nothing in the world can justify this. There is a quote from Yannis Varoufakis that I am thinking about a lot lately: "Vengence is a lazy form of grief."

@levampyre

Kids died in Germany in WW2 as well. By your perception, no one should have fought Germany back, because German kids would die as a result of any and all wars.

I don't want them to die but Hamas kills far more Palestinian children than Israel too.

Hamas started this war by group raping and slaughtering hundreds of women brutally, beheading babies, and a lot worse that I should not mention here out of respect to server rules. But it actually gets worse. Read here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181.amp

Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears - BBC News

The BBC has seen and heard evidence that Hamas fighters committed horrific sexual violence in Israel.

BBC News
@emmanuelleskaly I don't think that the situation at the end of WW2 is comparable with the situation in Gaza today. Or that one war justifies the existence of any other war. I also don't think that the conflict between Israel and Palestine started on October 7th. Or that Israel is completely innocent in it. But I have a moral standard for the bigger, the stronger, the more powerful combatant to stop the fight when his enemy is on the ground.

@levampyre

I'm sorry but I don't have the powers to justify myself further. But I will say this, underestimating Hamas is why October 7th happened, and we won't let that happen again.

@levampyre
I want this war to be over. I do not justify deaths of civilians, I only recognize it as a reality of the war Hamas started.

@levampyre

I separate Hamas and Palestinian civilians to buy up to a point, as I know almost the entirety of Palestinian civilians support Hamas, as well as, the violence and abuse celebrated in Palestinian society against women, queer persons, children, Christians and black Palestinians