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@dangillmor When you are pervertedly rich, you can buy yourself an American President.

That's the PEAK of capitalism, Folks! Congrats ... ;-)

David Nice Jul 16, 2024

@AndyGER @dangillmor The USA is the peak of capitalism, and money rules everything. That and a useless, corrupted torso of a legal system are why it is where it is now.

@davidpnice @dangillmor I know.

It would be absolutely revolutionary if Americans found a THIRD huge party that works in favour of the people of America who build the base of the Country: Labour workers.

Conquer the system by not playing by their rules. Do something very nasty ... ;-)

@AndyGER @davidpnice @dangillmor alas, the self-perceived interests of labor in the USA are extremely disparate. Claiming to represent "the workers" means very little, because there are workers who are pro-Trump and workers who are pro-UBI, workers for and against abortion, workers for more taxes on the rich and workers against it, workers who are pro-union and workers who are anti-union. Find a political position, and there are workers on every side of it.

@PaulDavisTheFirst @davidpnice @dangillmor What choise does an American have?

In Germany for instance the social-democratic party SPD was the party for labour workers with historic reason. Then we have/had the left called Die Linke who work also in favour of the common man. We have the CDU/CSU who claim to represent the Middle - which is untrue for decades. And we have a green party as well. There is a political spectrum to choose from.

It's not one way OR the other ...

@AndyGER @davidpnice @dangillmor while I agree that we have very little choice when it comes to *parties* in the USA, the Democrats (at least) do represent quite a range of political ideology (even though the Democrat you get to vote for may not).

My point was really that the idea of "a workers' party" doesn't make much sense in the USA, where a sense of "class consciousness" is rather weak and not very definitional.

@PaulDavisTheFirst @davidpnice @dangillmor The sense comes with choice. After people had the choice the parties had to build coalitions and learn how to work together in favour of democracy.

I could be wrong but this could offer a complete new way of how politics is done in the US ...

@AndyGER @davidpnice @dangillmor the obstacles that stand in the way of moving to a voting system that would permit more parties to have any power at all are immense. and creating new parties with any power at all without changing the voting system is almost impossible without a massive change to the cultural environment in the USA. a change that is also immense and very difficult to imagine.

@PaulDavisTheFirst @davidpnice @dangillmor Every revolutionary idea seems to be impossible at first.

What's possible is, that America is drifting apart into a dictatorship. It's very possible and this is the sadest. What would follow is the fall of democracy in many, many parts of the world.

Somehow what is happening now is kind of the end of the way of the two-party system. It seems not to work in the favour of the people any longer.

Change is needed ...

David Nice Jul 16, 2024

@AndyGER @PaulDavisTheFirst @dangillmor Still, everything to be fought for. Fatalism isn't an option for Americans right now.

David Nice Jul 16, 2024

@PaulDavisTheFirst @AndyGER @dangillmor Thanks, both, for this dialogue. We have arguments over choice in the UK which often touch on this. But the size of the nation makes a big difference. Our class system is still so entrenched.

@davidpnice @AndyGER @dangillmor I grew up in the UK (left 35 years ago) which continues to shape a lot of my thinking about this sort of thing, no doubt.