jeffwPrison forces trans woman into solitary confinement at a men's facility - LGBTQ Nation
ChozoI might not be understanding something, but if she's being placed in solitary, I'm not really sure what difference it makes what type of facility she's put into. My understanding is that you don't get to interact with anybody in solitary, regardless of gender. I can't imagine there's too many gender-specific accommodations that are made in these situations.
NeuromancerShe was put into solitary because she refused to be transferred.
Ahh, gotcha. I see now, I originally thought she was being put straight into solitary from the start. That definitely changes things then.
This is one of those tough stories that really challenges your morals. Part of me wants to take her side, because no woman should be forced into a men's prison, trans or not. But then there's another part of me which feels a bit indifferent to the suffering of a murderer. Part of me thinks "just put her in solitary back in the women's prison", but then another part of me thinks "actually we shouldn't have solitary confinement in any prisons in the first place". It's just an awful situation from every angle.
She was raping another prisoner. That’s why she being moved. There is no consensual sex in prison.
Solitary confinement is needed in some situations. This isn’t one of them. It is overused but should never be used as a punishment. It should be used to keep people safe.
It’s a blurb of an article and I don’t know the backstory to know what the right answer is.
To me it doesn’t matter if she murdered someone or not. The prison system is supposed to be dispassionate about the crime.
The sex was not officially allowed, but there absolutely could be consensual sex in prison. The reason they don’t allow it is because in many (but not all) cases it is coerced.
lumpenproletariatThere is no consensual sex in prison.
Lolwut? Inmates can consent with each other. Not everything in prison is a scene from Oz.
It’s in the article. It isn’t allowed.
Having sex as an inmate, even consensually, is considered a “504 infraction.”
Being against prison rules does not make it rape.
Non-consensual sex is rape. You can’t consent to sex as an inmate.
That said, we don’t know if that’s the reason or not. We will have to wait till further information comes out
Being an inmate doesn’t mean you lose your ability to consent. They could have very well been in a relationship. Just because it was against the prison rules does not mean it was non consensual.
You are the only one calling it rape - there is nothing else implying it was non consensual.
There is no consensual sex in prison.
Between guards and inmates. Inmates are on a level playing field and can have consensual sex. Unless of course you’re talking about legal technicalities in which case, the suffering is the point.
No images cannot have sex in prism with other inmates. It is prohibited.
So the suffering is the point. Got it.
Too much of a power dynamic. It causes to many issues in the facility for the staff and other inmates.
Typically it’s ignored in most cases but when it’s an issue they move inmates to other facilities.
And they couldn’t move her to another women’s facility? or another unit in the same facility? They had to go straight to men’s genpop? I also don’t buy that sex among peers causes too many issues. Unless it’s criminal, in which case you’d deal with it on that front. Because if that was true we’d have to make sex among peers a crime in normal society too.
I have no clue why they moved her to a male facility. It’s not in the article. Until more comes out on the case, it’s a mystery.
I suspect this is a maximum security and I have no clue how many they have for women in Washington.
In Nevada where my girlfriend worked in the prison system, they only have one for women. They’d move them to another section of the prison if possible or send them out of state.
Overall though they led it slide as long as there were no issues.
So we’re not aware of any issues, just the ridiculous rule, and cruel transfer. Have I got that right?
No it does not appear that you have it right.
The rule isn’t ridiculous at all and we don’t know why the person was transferred.
She assumes that is the reason and it’s a fair assumption.
Prison isn’t summer camp. It’s there to keep the communities safe by removing bad elements.
Okay so casual sex is banned for everyone then right? We all have to get married and have weekly reports to HR to make sure there’s no problems?
Only three states allow conjugal visits.
In most prisons even masturbation is against the rules.
Personally I think that is a bridge to far and they should have a masturbation room.
If you think prisoners should be able to inmate sex and orgies. Write you state leaders as they can change the laws.
The problem is many people don’t care about the incarcerated. I want prisons to keep dangerous people away from society and rehabilitate those who are returning to society. I’m not a fan of prison is punishment since that doesn’t really fix anything
Oh? Orgies? They can’t just have normal sex. It has to be orgies?
I don’t think you know this but, you’re interacting with very famous and disgraced former congressman George Santos.
CileTheSaneOverall though they led it slide as long as there were no issues.
Overall they let rape slide? Or is it not rape now?
samus12345It may be prohibited, but that has nothing to do with consent.
It is prohibited.
Doing drugs is prohibited. Doing drugs isn’t rape.
Drugs have nothing to do with consent.
I agree, something being prohibited has nothing to do with consent.
Well go argue with the law, not sure why you are bothering me with what the news reports
The law doesn’t call it non-consensual or rape either. Just says it’s not allowed.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/…/ar-BB1kq1cJ
An anonymous Washington DOC employee told National Review that there is “technically” no consensual sex among incarcerated individuals, but that “Washington has been mitigating the sanctions on offenders involved” if both parties claim the intercourse is consensual, resulting in “less trouble” for the offenders.
Rape is non-consenual sex. DOC employee said there is no consensual rape among inmates.
both parties claim the intercourse is consensual, resulting in “less trouble” for the offenders.
He’d throw grammar under the bus easily in favor of a conservative, bad faith, reading of the law. It’s all over his post history when he’s not horny on main.
I understand the language just fine. You seem to be ignoring the articles to form your own inaccurate opinion. Mine is fact and is yours is opinion.
In a follow-up email, Wright said he should not have used the word “consensual,” “since there technically is no such thing
If the government declared two men could not consent to having sex with each other would you call gay men rapists? Or would you say that’s not how those words work?
Maybe you struggle with laws but that’s how laws work.
If someone says it’s ok to kill them and you do. It’s still murder. Have a good day.
If someone says it’s ok to kill them and you do. It’s still murder
I agree. Just because the law says something is ethical (like murdering gay people) that doesn’t mean it’s actually ethical.
Similarly, just because the law says something is unethical (like two prisoners consenting to having sex) that does not make them rapists.
I agree, something being prohibited has nothing to do with consent.
We live in a society where the law is decided as much by precedent as by policy. Whatever punishment we as a society can be inflicted upon the worst scum of society, will be inflicted upon the innocent. Upon the wrongly convicted, those whose crimes harmed nobody, and those who were right to do what they did. If we don’t fight injustices against the deserving, that will be used to justify injustice against the undeserving.
They refused to respect her legal rights in three different ways. We have to believe this is an injustice when it is committed against anyone. There’s no ambiguity here.
a murderer
Motive matters. She killed her abusive parents. It’s highly likely she was a victim of society failing her. That doesn’t excuse what she did, it just means she’s not the same as someone who killed for money or fun.
DessertStormsMaybe actually read the article? This is right at the top:
When Kim realized she was being removed, she asked to speak with her lawyer and see paperwork authorizing the transfer, which was denied. Kim then refused to walk as commanded, at which point she was allegedly thrown to the ground by guards, who tied her ankles and wrists together and put her in the back of an SUV, she said. At Monroe Correctional Complex, Kim was put into solitary confinement, for allegedly “refusing transfer.”
She wouldn’t be in solitary confinement if they hadn’t moved her.
Maybe read the rest of the comments before replying? I already addressed that I misunderstood the timeline.
You said
I’m not really sure what difference it makes what type of facility she’s put into. My understanding is that you don’t get to interact with anybody in solitary, regardless of gender.
You also said
I might not be understanding something
But no mention of timeline.
Just a misunderstanding of why it matters if she’s in male-prison solitary or female-prison solitary, ignoring the key fact that she should never be in solitary in the first place.
Putting your hand up to say “my bad” isn’t hard to do, and it makes you look a lot less like you’re here in bad faith than doubling down like you are does.
Bruh, I already said I misunderstood, and explained exactly what and how I misunderstood it. The mistake has already been corrected be somebody else before you. If that isn't enough for you, then kindly fuck off because you already got more than you were owed, o mighty arbiter of comprehension.
explodicleWhen you realize your initial comment is wrong, edit it.
What was wrong? I was asking for clarification on something I didn't understand. I got it. What needs to be edited?
Maybe the title of this post or the article needs to be updated if solitary confinement itself wasn’t the real issue, but rather that it was a transgender woman being transferred from a women’s prison to a men’s prison?
Or, you know, this person could have just read the fucking article (or even just skimmed the first quarter of it) before making a comment making it clear they didn’t, then getting their back up when they get called out?
I read the article. I missed two lines from it on my first go around. Maybe I was multitasking while I was reading it. Maybe I was on mobile and there were ads distracting my ADHD-riddled brain. Maybe I just forgot that part. Who knows, all that matters it that I misunderstood. That was it. A misunderstanding, which were literally the first fucking words in my comment in the first place you absolute clown.
I won't apologize for misunderstanding and asking for help, and fuck you for insinuating that I should, and for trying to gaslight me into thinking I've done anything wrong by asking for a fucking explanation. You're so eager to find your "gotcha" moment that you're willing to cannibalize your own team to get it.
toomanypancakesSo she was transferred to a men’s facility from a women’s, denied any opportunity to appeal, and thrown in solitary for not going willingly. I wonder, are they going to keep her in solitary for the rest of her imprisonment, or are they going to release her and put a woman in with the men at the prison? Either seems like a completely fucked up option.
Suffering is the point…
Maybe in the US. Civilized nations treat their prisoners with decency.
Oh come on!
Some places use prison as an actual way to reform, not profit. Lick them boots amirite?
Do most countries have slavery written into their constitutions?
Care to elaborate?
The 14th amendment of the United States allows for slavery as a punishment.
It’s Definitely not just a US thing, although the scale of incarceration in the US is immense. it’s just a handful of European countries that actually treat prisoners ok.